Getting Schooled
Well it appears that I signed up for a college course here at eroids, lol. Most of my friends on the street has never said anything about most of the things I've I have read on this board, and nobody I know has had any major issues. However, I've always have believed that information is power! It seems the more questions I ask the more questions I end up having!! It's all good but it's getting frustrating, and expensive.
This is yet another question...
I would like to run a Test-E (500 Mgs Wk) and a Tren-A (300 Mgs Wk, 100 EOD) cycle with a D-bol jump start. I already bought my gear and decided the Tren over the Deca because summer is comming, (I bought both). I will save my Deca for next fall. From what I have read thats not even the correct Test/Tren ratio because it's not enough Test. The new question is in regards to dopamine agonist, which nobody I know that does AAS has ever used. I can't afford Caber or Letrozol but I can afford Bromo, I can also always pick up some vitamin B6. How much Bromo is good for the mentioned cycle? I've also read that 3-600 mgs of B6 is good too. I want to start pinning this week. On another note I also bought some "Blockade" from Assault Labs to help with other sides. Has anybody heard of it?
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AnonAlso if you do decide on using B-6 for prolactin make sure you get the right kind, p5p (pyridoxal phosphate).
AnonI think you should go back and start from scratch. You have 3 cycles, including Deca and tren. Sometimes simple is better. If you dont want to do just a basic test cycle you can still make it easy. Leave that harsh shit on the shelf until you research a bit more. You could get a lot out of:
Weeks 1-4: Test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 1-12: Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 4-12: Proviron 50mg/day
Weeks 12-16: Test prop 100mg eod
Whats your pct plan? What are you doing for estrogen control?
Hey jellotrip,
I have Anastrozole .25 mgs ED x 12wks for a 10wk cycle.
PCT:
Wk 11: 100mgs Clomid ED, 40mgs Nova ED
Wk 12: 50mgs Clomid ED, 30mgs Nova ED
WK13: 50mgs Clomid, 20mgs nova ED
I know eroids says 4 weeks PCT, but this PCT is copied from a IBFF aproved cycle. So far my cycle is scheduled for 10 wks, hence the 12 wks .25 Anastrozole to go with weeks 11 and 12 of the PCT. It's more than likely that I'm going to extend my cycle to twelve weeks. which I'll have to make adjustments with the Anastrozole and the PCT. It's also more than likely I'll also increase the PCT to 4 weeks instead of 3. However, some of the IBFF cycles i've seen are also only for 8 weeks including the Test-E, so there's some contradiction(s) between IBFF and some of the folks here at eroids that say a miminum of 10 weeks is necessary.. But also on the flip side it makes more sence to have a cycle for at least 10 wks due to the nature of longer esters such as Enethanate(s).
I didn't know the IBFF was approving cycles.
My bad, he's a IBFF pro bodybuilder, not the actual IBFF organization as a whole. Im not getting to much in depth, but all the cycles on this particular site that I ordered from are all advertised to be approved by him as far as I can tell. The source is extremely reputable on this board so I'm assuming it's true. The cycle I would like to take is NOT on the sources web-site. I just happened to put it together because it's a popular cycle where I'm at. I didn't expect to get so many negative replies about it, sisnce most people I know have done this exact cycle (Test, Deca, Tren) and have had spetacular results. I just wanted to slap in some Dbol to jump start it. If I didn't have the dbol in question, I probably would've never thrown it out there. Glad I did cause I don't want to fuck up my body. Seeing that so many of eroids members are against it, I decided to drop the Deca, but I want to stick with the Test/Tren/Dbol. The Tren is only 300 mgs a week, 100mgs EOD, from what I read thats pretty much bare minimum for any cycle, otherwise I would've done only 200mgs/wk. Even a novice like me isn't crazy enough to slam 800 mgs of Tren a week as just PART of a cycle like some of the guys on this board. Guys that do that must be absolute BEASTS!! And very experienced, to say the least.
AnonOk, I would definitely add another week to pct. Cant hurt to be a little more safe. And dont run the adex in pct, there is no need. Dunno what cycle you are gonna decide on but if you stick with the 19 nor then look into hcg for the cycle as well.
And either caber/prami should be kept on hand. This won't necessarily be required if your prolactin stays under control, but you'd want to hve it on hand in case it doesn't.
AnonAgreed
I saw the reference to caber and bromo or b6 in the original post so I assumed he would have something for prolactin on hand.
Woops, didn't register in my head when I read it over
Stats:
Working out for off and on for 20+yrs, been pretty steady for the last two; a week or two off here and there. Currently taking EFX Kre-Alk, D-Aspartic Acid, DHEA, and Iso Mass Extreme Gainer.
3 cycles of AAS but spaced out years apart. Last one was 3+ years ago. Last cycle as I remember was:
Test-E 400mgs wk 200 mgs every 4th day
Deca 400 mgs wk 200 mgs every 4th day
Tren, not sure if it was A or E but 200 mgs week 100 mgs every 4th day
Had to stop short because I got jailed :( That sucked!! Luckily no resulting gyno
Can't even tell you guys how many Pro-H cycles I've done over the years, but Pro-H's are babies compared to the real deal !
I'm currently 5'8, 205 pds, 44 yrs old. Bf in the low 20's, but read by a machine not calipers, and Ive been on Kre-Alk for 3 mths which may have thrown it off. Another reason why I want to do the Tren instead of the Deca for this up coming summer. My diet is tight, not even sugar in my coffee. I eat lots of lean proteins, whole grains fruit and veggies. I am a sucker for once in a while ice cream though, but not to often. My goals are to pack on muscle and lean out some. Should be doable with Test and Tren. I'm ditching the kre-Alk and DHEA when I start the cycle.
You haven't even ran a good test cycle yet bro. I bet you would really enjoy 500-600 test e or c pinned Monday/Thursday, maybe add in an oral like Dbol or Var. Do a prop taper at the end of the cycle so you can get used to more frequent pinning. Then maybe the next cycle of you want to run Tren consider it then.
Yeah I hear that Pale Rider, I hate needles. Had a bad experience as a kid with a dentist my mom use to take me to a lot. I already bought test-E, Tren-A, Deca, and the Dbol though. I was going to pin the Tren with the Test every 4th day but I've learned thats not how it works. Not with Tren-A at least. I'm holding off on the Deca for now because I've learned that two 19 nors is a no no, and summer is comming. The Deca will fit in nicely with the bulking cycle I will do in the fall. Most likely it will be Test, Deca, and Dbol. If I knew what I know now, I would've opt'd for a cutting cycle instead of a late bulker. Lessons being learned here at eroids! Now I need to know more about Bromo, B-6 and other dopamine agonist(s).
There are lots of risks to steroids and not knowing them is just pure laziness in today's technology rich world. I'm glad you've jumped on board and are soaking it all in.
Before any advice is giving, what is your cycle history, especially with tren? Need to know where your starting from. Also, many people run tren higher than their test, due to it's affinity for the receptors.
Also, when you say you can't afford Caber or Lethro, that is a worrisome statement. You should never start a cycle without having everything (plus extra) you need. Besides that, gear is cheap as opposed the food that goes along with a cycle. Taking gear without a proper diet is wasting your gear.
Not to be a dick, but isn't this kind of the same exact thing you're asking in this other thread?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/orals-with-or-...
No offense, but no, on the other thread I didn't ask about a dopamine agonist. This is why I started this thread. Each time I start a thread I end up with more questions, lol. Good thing I haven't started my cycle. I want to know how much Bromo or B-6 I would need for the above mentioned cycle I want to take.
But you have to understand how it looks then? It's better to start one thread to build and have your cycle critiqued than to start a bunch with different questions, all leading to the same point. And once again, do a test only cycle since its been 4 years since your last cycle. AAS don't dictate your gains, your diet does. And if you're on a budget for all the gear and associated supplements, then this isn't the time to do it since food will cost tenfold or over during the same period.
Doing steroids without the right diet is like doing chemotherapy without the cancer.
I understand your concern, but I am a diet guru. I also strongly agree with what you have to say about diet. Unlike gear, I am highly knowledgable when it comes to nutrition. I'm sure I know more about food than lots of others on this board. As a matter of fact most people don't even realize that diet accounts for 80% of what you get from the gym, with or without gear. Gear just helps us reach our goals, it doesn't make them. I have been researching food for years and years and also very aware of the poisons that these big food corporations are putting in our food supply. A lot of stuff thats added in our food here in the U.S is actually banned in Europe as well as other parts of the world! This is why I make my own stuff such as marinades, yogurts, dressings and more. I am sure once I get this cycle thing out of the way you guys will certainly enjoy my posts when it comes to nutrition. I have a very solid high protein diet that's filled with foods that are low to mid on the glycemic index and are nutrionally dense. I will be posting links and other info in the future about processed foods, pesticides, chemical food additives, toxic preservatives, GMO's, plastics and other stuff. But for now i'm focusing on my cycle. Hopefully someone will answer my question in regards to Bromo and B-6.
I don't like some of the things I have read about Caber, but as I research it more I will make that decision to buy or not to buy when I have more extra money early next month. I'm not so sure about Bromo either, but I rather be safe than sorry! I will also most likely buy more gear to extend my cycle to the highly recommended 12+ weeks instead of the 10 weeks that I had previously planned and of course to make adjustments. I would like to thank everyone in advance for their input and help with my cycle and future cycles and I am certainly glad I joined eroids!!!
If you're going to be running what most of us recommend, which is a test only cycle this time, you won't need the caber. Save the other compounds for your subsequent cycles down the road.
If you don't want to buy caber, try having prami on hand in case your prolactin goes ape shit.
I'd also advise you to maybe dial in your diet a little more, because your stats say you are around the low 20s in bf% which doesn't necessarily mean it's exactly dialed in. That's a little high even for a test only cycle. Not being a dick, just trying to enlighten.
Thank you,
I know your not being a dick, lol. The machine I used for the BF is a little hand held computerized device. Even the gyms trainer told me it's probably reading high because of the creatine I've been taking. The only true measurment that I know of is calipers. My diet has been higher in calories since September because I've been bulking, and I haven't been doing cardio either. I'm cutting my calories and replace some of my higher calorie meats with more boneless skinless chicken breast and other high protein options. I even eat CB with my breakfast, I like to mix it in my eggs or use it as my meat for omelets. I'm not afraid to eat fish with my b-fast either. I just recently stopped using fattier stuff like salad dressings and mayo and I have cut back on things such as olive oil when I cook. I was using olive oil daily for cooking things like eggs, but now I started to hard boil or poach them EOD. I'm doing other things to cut calories as well, but slowly. Spring is right around the corner.The little things I'm starting to do will make a big difference. For veggies I now blend them up with cottage cheese and protein powder as a meal before bed, instead of eating higher calorie stuff before I go to sleep, such as a regular meal. With other veggies I use spices instead of butter now. I've stopped using margarine because of the chemicals and trans-fats that are associated with them. I am cutting back some on my starches but not too much, yet. How long will AAS stay good when stored ? Will they be O.k for next year? They are not in vials but in satchets. I'm sure most would now know where they came from ;) but I'm not just gonna put the source out there!
I didn't know you were bulking so that would make sense. If you're gonna do a cycle with cutting in mind it seems like you have your diet plan in check, and know why you're doing. I can't attest to satchets as Ive never hd any experience with them. Are they sterilized, vacuum sealed? I know AAS can be kept in sealed vials for a long time if stored properly, out of light, at stable temperatures. I'd imagine the same could be said of satchets, but I'd recommend contacting your source and asking
Good catch!
OP: Please explain...
What is your experience level. How many cycles have u done? What were your cycles? How long u been working out? What are your goals and stats?