First ever "cycle or blast"
Hey guys, I'm Jon..
I'm 159cm and weigh about 78-80kg. I'd say im close to 25-30% BF with all this mixed info online sometimes It gets confusing.. I know I need to cut but It's better if I can get a little guidance.
I've been lifting for 2-3 days for the past couple of years, keeping my elbow pain non existent and slowly but surely stronger. My genetics are most likely not the best for chasing a physique.. I wasn't as lucky as my bros born with visible 6 pack and so forth.
I've been running a trt protocol, or some may say its more than therapeutic, cool. I've been injecting IM 0.5 ML Sustanon 250 (every 5 days) for an odd 4-6 months playing with an AI and now at the stage I don't use one.
I'm looking for a first "cycle or blast" I've been thinking to up the dose of my test (sus 250) to 1ml ( 250 mg) and adding in Anadrol at 25-30mg per day ( I've heard its better than dbol if I don't want to be a mess)
originally I had thought 30mg of anavar per day however after some podcasts, according to the dudes it wouldn't really help me until I get a bit leaner anyway e.g it'd help with 20-15% over 12 weeks kinda thing ( shed some light)
I'm open to any ideas, and I want to keep this as healthy as possible whilst doing so however I understand this is unhealthy in the first place according to some. I've tried to be as descriptive as possible so any assistance is appreciated. Any questions that'll do me good, please ask away. Much appreciated.
Also: I have a home gym, I eat relatively healthy ( whole foods ) and my job is not sedentary (On my feet all day due to cleaning etc etc )
EDIT: I read on the forums whilst browsing that a goal is needed.
Goal: To reach 10-15%BF and to have it maintainable, I will be proceeding with TRT after the "cycle or blast" I'm also aware that I won't just BECOME 10% BF and have to work fucking hard for it.
Thank you for reading
Edit: I've tried to be as descriptive as possible without writing a bibliography. I've organised my bloods, I'm asking for advice wether I do a blast or mini cycle is not decided. Stop freaking out you monkey's
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Ms WorkerBeeI think you said you have been running a half cc for about 4 to 6 months.. That would be a very long first cycle. With 25 to 30% Body fat i think you have to use the home gym at least 5 days a week, some days 2 times a day, and figure out a good nutritional plan. If you increase your testosterone dosage and add some more stuff to it you really are not giving your body any break. I do not think you are in to deep. It looks like you either are going to keep doing the test that you have been doing, or take a break and clean out, really to figure out what are your goals and do you want to do this stuff non stop or take a break or just stop. You have many options to choose from. A medical professional may not tell you what you want to hear but there are so many variables that can effect your health. Always proceed with caution to maximize harm reduction.
@Rustyhooker, I am really trying to learn. I watch vigroussteve alot, MPMD, other youtubers that might be able to pass on some genuine info however I take all with a grain of salt and I understand they aren't my doctor. Help me, I'm doing the research ... I'm doing the time to learn it all
Rustyhooker27 self prescribed....
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/anavar-opinions
AnonWhy did you bump this one?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/your-fi...
From personal experience every time I said I’m ready to cycle there was nothing that would change my mind. Then life happened. I was too stubborn to do it anyway because I wanted everything to be perfect to maximize the outcome. Diet, blood pressure, training, stress, sleep, other activities, supplements, strength levels, mobility, experience cutting after bulking, etc. All had to be perfect. Never was. Present me looks back and thinks wow I’m so glad I never did that. I would have really messed myself up big time knowing what I do now. Wait and you’ll see. In the mean time read this article and do what he says. Never fails.
Thanks a heap! I'll give the article a read
AnonOuch...
You see, the problem with young men in their mid 20's is they think they have sorted out who they are, what they want for the future and what they are willing to sacrifice..
I know this because this is something I did, and I've seen loads of guys who are the same age or younger do the exact same thing.
I also know that you cannot change the mind of most young men in this position because they cannot be convinced that they might feel different later.
So yeah, what your doing now won't be a good idea for your longevity or health, it will undoubtedly perpetuate your body image issues and could cause some very serious health consequences in your future.
I seriously don't give a flying fuck what you do. Research more because no one is going to aid you in your self distructive path this early in life.
Good luck, past version of myself.
Thanks past version of yourself. I appreciate the insight
AnonNo, you're the past version of me, I'm the future version of you, or at least one probable outcome..?
Therapeutic? lmfao. No No No and just No. Put down the jelly doughnuts, back away from the steroids, and get your ass in the gym. At 26 years old you are already headed in a very bad direction. Stop taking the "trt" because you read on the intertubes it can make you big and strongzz.
I don't touch sodas, or jelly donuts. The craziest thing I'd eat is 70% dark chocolate 2-3 times per week @ 4-6 little blocks out of a block. I have low T even whilst lifting prior 1 year for about 3-4 times. Compound lifts .. I must've understood myself. I'm the lifter in my group of friends I'm getting stronger. I can DL 160kg? OHP almost 60kg not overly impressive but... it's better than where I came from.. 4 years ago I was a drug dealing fiend who smoked a pack of cigs per day, probs 1-2g of weed per day.. Now I'm here.. I own a 15 employee business I started 2 years ago from scratch. Fuck you guys are all savages and I LOVE it. As I said, a little bit of guidance is all I'm looking for... Thanks for your input @irishman
We gave you guidance, we said stop. You dont want to so what else do you want? A cosign? Go somewhere else for that. What you are dojng is not safe and we do not promote stupidity here. I ran circles around everything you think you were or are when I was your age. Did I also mention I owned a 2500 employee business when I was 18? Or the 3 Ferarri's I had? Or the nationwide drug dealing operation at 16? Maybe the 4 vacation homes? Noone fkn cares. If you think having a business makes you any more smart I would like to introduce you to corporate america.
Once again you get no guidance for self destruction and no cosign either.
Irish dude, I was still playing with legos at 16. I like the reference of no consign, it's like junior wants a car he cant afford.
Lol half of what I wrote is not true. It's just the conveyance that what you own or what you do means anything. At 16 I would have considered driving to do a deal constitutes a nationwide kingpin. And I certainly did not have that many employees.....but my parents did so I owned a business by relation lol.
I'm not comparing to you, I'm comparing to my old self. That's the only person I challenge. If I was to perhaps go to a doctor and be prescribed TRT, then itd be safe?
Yes exactly that.
First off you're full of bullshit you're not an employer.
If your T levels are low you don't know why, A doctor would.
If you went to a doctor, he may be able to solve the problem and not need to treat the symptoms
If you went to a doctor and were prescribed TRT he would insure your estrogen, BP, RBC, cholesterol and other bloods were normal.
If you saw a doctor you may actually be able to have kids someday.
Why would I be full of bullshit, I am a successful employer! only inexperienced in this scene makes it seam like I'm clueless completely, I'm not. I'm seeing a doctor and getting my bloods checked, read other posts. He's going to have me do a full panel on 2 days after my shot. I did a little bit of research, only a couple of months worth before I tried this protocol out. Thanks for your shitty reply
Because you're young, an inexperienced addict, self administering TRT, and this is the internet.
Your fishing for a way forward and someone to cosign your stupidity.
As for my "shitty reply", I'm a father. I'm used to kids acting out when they don't get the answer they want. You'll have to do better than that kid.
Can you explain how I'm an addict to 125mg of sustanon, maybe addicted to success that's about it, I'll take the advice that is worthy of taking. Thank you, I appreciate your reply
From your teen years to 22 you were, "a drug dealing fiend who smoked 1-2g of weed per day..."
You probably barely passed high school or dropped out.
Suddenly you've got skills and are an employer 2 years later at 24 years of age. 15 employees would make you a million dollar gross (+/-) small business. I'm not buying that.
I know you're "exaggerating" the truth because your story is similar to mine with the exception that I went out and gained experiences for 5 years or so before building a company that grew to 15-25 employees after about 4 years. So you're missing 5 to 10 years in your boast.
Clearly you have an addictive behavioral problem. Substituting "unhealthy" drug abuse for a more "healthy" one.
I'll take that as a compliment, my payroll had 16 people this week.
And after being a drug fiend it was 4 years later I'm in this position, 2 years later I had started my business. I'm asking for advice on this topic and I've got an array of answers.
If It makes any difference I had a pizzeria at 19? Ran it while on acid and all that stupid shit. As I said I compare to my old self. Its 4 years later.. there is no substitution.
And the whole 1-2 of weed was outta context... I was doing dmt, lsd. Again, not boasting...?? Just stating.
Anon1-2 grams a day as a teen...please...those are rookie numbers.
I grew and sold before there was anything available besides mexican brick weed..I didn't make a dime cus I smoked all day with everyone who stopped by.
I figured my shit out and got a nice union job when I stopped smoking pot all day. Now look at me, addicted to gains and hormones!
May I remind you, Something you obviously forgot about; preferring to fondly remember cleaning the stems and seeds out of your 4 finger baggy of Mexican dirt weed on the backside of Frank Zappa's Bongo Fury album using a zigzag paper cover while busting your friends balls for bogarting that joint.
...that you would have needed to smoke 4 joints to get as stoned as one toke from a bowl of this new "purple, sticky rainbow pony, fuck me skunk weed" they have now days.
Gone are the days of hanging out with your friends passing a joint or bong around like it was a peace pipe, talking shit and laughing your ass off. Today, one toke -instant couch zombie
AnonVery true, but we usually only smoked what I grew!
Still, it was probably only 10-15%, nothing like the 90-100% ear wax looking bs they have now..I couldn't handle it.
The other major problem with that Mexican hay was stems puncturing your papers. You could never get a good pull off it after there was seven holes in the sides!
Self administered trt? Probably better described as pulled it out of your ass. Do you know what your shbg or estradiol numbers are? What is your ai use based on? Dude, some people can get by with some crazy shit they put in their body, but not always. Trt in my opinion is not about building muscle, but more a quality of life while your aging. Keep your nuts working naturally as long as possible, especially if you want kids. Just my 2 cents.
Fyi, I was a child at 26 even though I was a father of 2, college graduate, married, and making good money. No Ferraris, but I did have a mustang 5.0!
Thanks pops
Pops can dead lift more than you, got six pack abs and can run sub 7 min miles. Kido! I was fat when I was your age too, fucknut! lol
Thanks Pop, much appreciated* I'll get there, I can filter out garbage advice, don't worry about me.
Come here and give pops a hug kido!
hug :')
Noone admits to owning a mustang.
Nor being Irish
That is very true, thankfully I'm not. .I had a 1988 LX fox body 5 speed, that thing was fast as hell. Put some tired cobra jet heads on it and an edelbrock plenum and crashed it at the track......no traction what so ever.
AnonWhat year was that slutty stang?
1995, drove it for 23 years, then a women rear ended me and totaled it out. Loved that car.
Brother you are very contrasting with yourself. You would like to make a first cycle, even an explosion.
You talk about TRT, we don't know how you train, how you eat and you start by saying that you have to cut.
By the way, you have just signed up and you are twenty-six years old. I recommend this little reading.
(https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-anabolic-c....)
I’m giving everyone on here (besides msparkles) a +... we all said the exact same thing!!! Maybe msparkles should take all this great advice, chill out a little, and take it slow!
Lifting two days a week for a couple years? Fuck yeah bro you’re ready to get saucy. Let’s blast off. I mean you’re already at your natural peak right?
I’m sure your diets been dialed in 5-6 meals a day, 250 grams of protein from meat every day, no missed meals and cardio sessions.
I’m kidding. Reading the above I see someone who has not even started to try to get in shape. You’re going through the motions but if you were really trying you’d be doing a lot more than you were.
Figure out how to nail every other detail, your diet, your training, your cardio, your sleep, your stress, your relationships and family, before you start adding drugs. They’re for enhancing a physique. Not creating one.
I mean.. I've gotten to 6/8 pack lean before, natural. Now with a really labour heavy job, and I had to to HIIT 3 times a week with training 3-4 times with weights to get there. I didnt have enough space to put my whole life story...
If I'm honest, I've nailed to a degree sleep (8 hours+ bed before 10pm most nights) , stress, relationship, financials and you're right. I need to focus in on my diet, cardio and training. I completely agree.
Throw up a self shot then
Of my 80kg self, sure I can do that, will I be able to post directly to this post?
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Should be pretty easy from there
I'll do it tomorrow, I'll list my workout prior
Agree! ^^ wisdom
Bro first of all, welcome. Second, Anadrol is a harsh drug, which should not be used on your first cycle.
I will just suggest that you maybe think about starting slow.. maybe a test only blast. You will definitely get good results at 500 a week of sust.
Now, I will also say that if your body fat is that high, you might want to stick with TRT for a while and dial in your food, workouts, and recovery. You can definitely take a cycle bro, but if you have a higher body fat percentage, and do not get your diet in check, then your really not doing yourself any favors
Take it slow bro! And FYI- Whole Foods is not “eating healthy.” Making sure your macros are in order and eating clean is healthy and will get you to your goal.
As a friend buddy, I suggest you put on the brakes, chill on the juice and get everything in order before moving to the next step.
Thank you! Valuable info without seaming like a brain dead monkey. Appreciated
Your not a brain dead monkey bro.. your new to this. So I would suggest to see a doctor for your TRT ( I think everyone agrees). But I completely understand some people who can’t afford good health insurance and have to make it work.. (I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do). But if you have the ability to see a doctor.. do. I know your in Australia, and it’s difficult, but I started my TRT online at a clinic. And I can tell you that some of these clinics prescribe stuff like peptides, deca, and test for “therapeutic” purposes (I am not saying it’s right, but you will not get jammed up and you will have a valid prescription from a doctor).
Everyone on here is just looking out for you bro. We all started where you are at one time. So just keep an open mind with all this great advice.
Be safe bro.
even with trt he would have a advantage over a natty cause the t levels stay consisteint and don't drop so it should be easier for him to get to his goals (lose fat) compared to being natty
If I go into a deficit. How long will I stay in a deficit, how often will I train I know there isn't a cookie cutter module however id appreciate some further info
Agree. He is looking for a quick fix. They think roids are going to make them look like the hulk on their first cycle.
I am currently trying to lean out, and like everyone on here said- get your diet in check, manage stress, and recover!!
Well said Dbolandall!