First Cycle confusion, any help appreciated.
Age: 21
Weight: 188 pounds
Height: 6'2
Years Training: over 2
bf % 13 - 14
I wanted to start my first cycle while I was cutting in a few weeks, I wanted to start my first cycle with a milder steroid, and researched anavar, I wanted to do anavar @ 50mg ed for 7 weeks then do pct with clomid @ 50 mg ed for 2 weeks, while taking a liver support.
After researching this more, I keep reading articles on people agreeing and disagreeing on whether running this steroid alone is bad for your hpta? I thought that all steroids lowered your hpta and PCT was used to get it back to normal levels? But forums kept agreeing with '' anavar will shut you down'' , '' never run oral cycles only'' etc, I was wondering if someone could help clear this up for me?
Would taking test-e at a lower dosage be better for me? or is taking anavar and finishing with a pct to bring my test levels back to normal ok?
The reason I want to take something milder or lower in dosage, is because, I had bad acne as a teenager, and I wanted to see how a mild steroid would affect me before trying stronger compounds.
Any help or advice would be appreciated, because I don't want to jump into anything without understanding it fully.
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steroids are one of those things that sound extremely appealing, especially for someone trying to get in the best shape in the quickest way. I promise you the longer you hold off though the more satisfied you'll be. I workout with a natural pro bb and it truly is incredible how far you can take your body with consistency of training and diet.
If you have any questions feel free to message anytime about anything.
I guarantee if you follow a strict diet you would be EXTREMELY satisfied with the results. With your experience, I would certainly suggest cutting through diet and cardio though, and if you insist than do a cycle after you get in the condition you want to be in. Diet is key though, I dont care what anybody says you can always get results with proper nutrition (considering you're not over your natural limit) and if you aren't willing to do that than you shouldn't touch gear.
First cycle I would recommend 500 mg test e (2 pins ew) with possibly an oral as well. Be sure to have ancillaries on hand and an aggressive pct planned out.
I have to agree with the rest on holding off and still doing research in the meantime. It will make it that much more worth it for when you are ready. One thing I noticed about myself, is I had a nice foundation before I started any AAS. Learn and educate yourself. Take advantage of your high test levels that you have now and save the juice for when you are lower. Let us know how your blood work turns out.
I'll post my bloods when I get the results in 2 weeks, and I'll try get a better base before attempting anything.
Like a broken record, I know, but give it several more years if possible before you start. But as most people that have been working out for a long time know, it's hard to stay away from performance enhancing drugs when you see all these monsters in the gym growing and getting rediculously stronger. You make good lean natural gains and put all that time and effort into it and you know the results would be 10 fold if you turned over to the dark side. Well, I'll say it again, WAIT, Wait, Wait, if you can. I'm pretty sure that's why I'm on TRT now, because I didn't have the internet and useful knowledge like you got. But if you just can't wait, then us fellas on here need to help you make informed decisions. So my opinion is...Testosterone Enanthate at 500 mg a week for 10 weeks. It's the closet thing to your natural body and you can get by with once a week injections which is a plus for rookies. The test will remain active for about 12 weeks and being your first cycle you will probably gain 20-30 lbs. I would run HCG at 250iu twice a week starting at week 5 thru week 10. Nolvadex at 20mg a day starting at week 13 and then down to 10mg weeks 14-15. There are many different opinions to HCG and nolvadex during cycle and for PCT, this is just my opinion on the way I would do it if you were my son. You shouldn't have a major issue with shut down and should bounce back rather quickly. You would want to stay OFF as long as possible, in your case I'd say one year, but a bare minimum of 20 weeks. AGAIN, I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD DO STEROIDS, but if you are going to, atleast be heavily informed. That's my 2 cents
I decided to cut naturally and then re-evaluate my position and decide whether I should try to bulk and try my first cycle. I appreciate your advice and telling me to wait, and also informing me.
If I was going to try bulk up with steroids, I'll use the information you gave me, but I have a few questions, if you wouldn't mind answering? I wanted to use anavar before coming here and being told it was a bad idea to use it alone, but the reason I wanted to use that was because I had bad acne during my teens, and still get a little now and again. If I did decide to use test enanthate could I use it at 300 mg a week? or would that just be a waste?
If I do a cycle, I would take an antibiotic for my acne and some vitamin b5 just in case it flares up, would you recommend a liver support for that cycle as well? Or something as well to try and prevent water retention?
Thanks again for informing me, even though you think I should wait.
Get the oral only stuff out of your head. Yes you will respond to Anavar only cycle because it would be your first cycle, but If you are going to make the jump over to AAS then don't waste your "first time" on orals. Jump straight into Test Enanthate. Its the closet thing to your natural body's hormones. Yes you would benefit from 300mg but you will be way better at 500mg. If your gonna get acne it's gonna happen at 300 or 500. Just inject every week to keep blood levels as stable as possible. Yes you will still get that up and down effect but there is nothing you can do about it. You could buy and try some Proactiv Acne Solution (I think that's how you spell it) and start using that a week or two before you start injecting and run it thru the whole cycle. I have never had a bad problem with acne. I get small amounts on my shoulders and upper back but plain ole rubbing alcohol works wonders for me. Bottom line is.....you will never know how your body is going to react until you actually do it. Another thing you could try would be Test Prop. You would have to inject everyday to every other day but if this acne thing flares up out of control, atleast you could quit and the test would be out of your system alot faster. I wouldn't worry about the water retention either, but that's just me.
You are still very young and shouldn't do this anyways....especially if you are this worried about the sides.
But if you do.....remember....Testosterone Only for your first cycle.
Anavar will cause acne as well. It can shut you down but a good PCT should bring it back. Test should be the basis for any cycle as it is what your body naturally produces. You will hear that mostly women do anavar cycles. Most men use Anavar with other compounds. You should really wait a few more years as you are only 21, been training for 2 years which is not a long time and still have a few years of natural gains to make. Have you had any blood work done to see where your natural test levels are?
Thanks TMW, I haven't had any blood work done yet, I'v a doctors appointment next week to get them done. Should I use that as a basis whether I should start a cycle or not?
Man I would wait like the rest have said. 21 is still young and Im pretty sure you would know by now if you had low T. I would suggest you join the diet group on this forum and have some Vets work with you on a diet and a good workout. You will see the gains come. You have not reached your natural potential and still have a fews years where you will make some nice gains without messing around with your hormones. Just being truthful with you man. I myself have not used and I'm 39. I lifted for awhile when I was younger and am just getting back into it and I am still amazed at the gains I am putting on even at my age with just diet and dedication in the gym.
Thank you for your advice man, I'm going to cut naturally and I'll post my diet in the diet forum when I get it ready for cutting and hopefully some people will critique it and get me to change a few things. Then I'll see where I can go from their and options for my clean bulk after cutting in a few months.
Yeah diet and dedication are important, I hate missing gym days, good luck with your gains man, thanks again!
AnonWell bro I can go ahead and tell you that a lot of people on here are going to see this and not help you because of your age. We are all firm believers in not starting steroids at your age. I must give you props for do what research you have done. I believe in not starting steroids until you have been training for 5 years and are at least 25 years old. But that's just me. I'm kind of at a cross road because I know that regardless you are going to do what you want to do but since I know that I want you to do it in the safest way possible. So I'm going to let some other people chime in on this before any information is given.
Thanks ShreddedChedder,I have been only training bodybuilding for a little over 2 years but other more sports specific training before that. I understand about not starting steroids until you are 25 years old because your natural testosterone levels lower, but I thought steroid use while using a PCT afterwards brings you back to nearly same levels you were at previously before steroids? Or does it lower your production significantly even with a good PCT?
AnonThe whole reason of not starting AAS as of right now at your age is that you want to take you body as far as possible naturally. There is no better steroid than the natural testosterone you have pumping in you right now. Yes the pct is suppose to bring you back to normal. When you inject synthetic testosterone in you, your body sees it and stops producing so much of it naturally. The pct reminds your body on how to make it. But if youve just started body building 2 years ago the only advice that I feel comfortable giving is diet! Diet! Diet! Make sure you use big heavy compound exercises. Bench, Squat, deadlfts, barbell rows. Lets just save the AAS for a little later down the road. I did the same thing that you did. I trained for 2 years and jumped on gear. Really wish that I hadn't. Wish I had saved it for later.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you wish you saved it for later? Did you have problems arise because of it? I do compound exercises and mix them up with isolation exercises as well. I definitely won't be doing an oral cycle or the anavar cycle on it's own after the advice I got here. I will most likely cut naturally now and hopefully get under 10 % body fat. Then I'm going to re-evaluate my position and decide whether i should try bulking with low dose test-e in a few months.
AnonI wish I saved it for later cause I feel like I didn't let my body go as far as possible naturally. I haven't had any problems from it. Just whatever you decide to do just make sure you research research research.
Thank you for your advice!
AnonNo problem.:-)
That's well put S-Chedder.
Flicker, most of the feedback here is constructive criticism, it's a learning process brother.
I'm here to learn, wouldn't want to jump into anything without getting advice from people that have been doing it, don't want to fuck myself up haha
First, you are wise to research and very wise to ask for advice. HOWEVER oral only cycles are a NO NO.
Secondly, are you sure you really want to cycle at your age?? At your age have plenty of gains waiting for you without using steroids.. Scratch around the forum section for a while and you will see why..
Thanks mhman, I will stay away from the oral cycles and read a bit more into gains here before I decide fully, could you recommend any good topics?
On the toolbar, select the " Community" tab then the "Forum", tons of info here. Try the "Steroids QA section first. Here is a great write-up form Finafan.
AnonNice, Bro!:-)
Thank you, I'll read the link you posted and look around the forum