Extreem Migraines when lifting on Test and Mast HELP!!!
I an new to anabolics but have completed a cycle of Test and have since added Masteron. I didn't have any sides with a Test only cycle other than muscle pain post injection. This pain was so severe that after talking with the supplier we decided to add Mast and lower the Test. Well, I kept the Test the same and mixed the Mast and the pain was 100% gone and things are great until about 1 week ago. I've got insane migraine headaches that occur during the first warm up set. The pain is excruciating to the point I have to wait at least 5 minutes before attempting the next set. These migraines now occur during any form of physical exertion and last for a long time. They have completely handicapped any exercise and I'm at a loss as to what to do. I am going to eliminate the Mast out of the program all together but i ask if anyone else has a similar experience and if so what are some recommendations? Cycle was Test E 600mg split weekly, and Mast E 400mg split with the Test. I'm 10 weeks in with the Test and about 4-5 weeks with the Mast.
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Merry Christmas G! first I wanted to point out that by my understanding this is your first go with aas right? also I hope that the decision to add masteron to your cycle wasn't solely based on to cut down on your post injection pain (pip) typically all a guy ever needs to make substantial gains for the first time is test only, as there's other ways to help with pip such as cutting it with more sterile oil, another thing to consider is if by indeed this being your first cycle you're dealing with virgin muscle and any injection will carry some pip anyway. masteron is a phenomenal compound however I hope you did your homework on this and understand the action this hormone plays and if it matches you're goals it is a dht drug and carries a high probability for hair loss. last thing to consider when Looking into a new compound usually it's better to start with a short ester such as acetate so if you're not doing well with it it clears the body rather quickly. didn't want to come across as if I'm on a soap box preaching brother just sounded like that was the only reason you added masteron and typically first cycles don't need much more than test for BIG GAINS...
Merry Christmas Superman, Without going into great detail, the pain I experienced post injection was beyond tolerable. I exhausted every avenue of resolving the pain. The last thought was to cut the Test in half but add a compound to offset the deficit of Test and would compliment the Test's effect. You are right, this is my first experience with AAS however I have researched in great lengths AAS, AI and cycles, effects of independent chemicals, combinations etc. From lab documents, case studies, experiences from you tubers, forums on an on for no less than a year and almost daily. The science has become nothing short of a hobby. I've evaluated the potential out come and I feel with proper research and administration the pros out weigh the cons. I've committed this to a lifestyle regimen and will see it through the long run. Now its a matter of finding what works best for me, agrees with my body and is most effective. Learning by experimenting is all I have at this point but I have done my homework to ensure that I don't expose myself to unnecessary risk. I'm always willing to entertain suggestions and advise and that I why I am here.
Happy to report yesterday was a great day back in the gym. Prior to lifting, took 4 Advil and did some house cleaning (vacuuming, mopping etc...physical type of cleaning to get the heart rate elevated) All was good so I thought I'd give the gym a try...I was desperate to get back to lifting. I started out with moderate weight to see how the exertion would feel and to my surprise didn't have any pain. Honestly, had the best pump ever in the gym. Maybe because I had taken 4 days off. Not real sure but it was great. I decided to take a day off today because I didn't want to deal with the pain at work if it returned as it impacts performance and ability to focus. Tomorrow I will try again and let every one know.
Ignorance is bliss, get your ass to the doctor anyways. Just because you feel fine 1 day does not mean you cured it. 4 Advil masked it.
http://www.americanheadachesociety.org/assets/1/7/F.Michael_Cutrer-_Headaches_Associated_with_Exertion_and_Sexual_Activity.pdf
Please see this Mayo Clinic Bulletin outlining your problem. Your doctor will get an MRI to exclude something serious and its 99% likely that will be negative. Then you just have to experiment with different analgesics like motrin prior to to engaging in the activity that provokes your headaches to hopefully find something that works for you.
Thanks for the heads up. Once I have exhausted all forms of self medicating/diagnosing with no improvement I will see a doc. So far I have found a combination that worked for me and will see if that takes care of the problem. This may have been a thing due to weather, allergies, dehydration etc. So I have taken the steps I know the doc will suggest before I go shoveling pills down my throat to correct a problem that may just be a fluke. Don't get me wrong, I am not downplaying the severity nor importance of of symptoms of head/brain pain but there are steps I know the doc will ask me to take before offering a solution.
Exertional headaches are a red flag symptom in the evaluation of migraines. This could POTENTIALLY indicate a vascular issue like an aneurysm. I suggest you cease lifting until you have seen a physician.
coronary artery disease as well. time to see a doctor like yesterday.
Yup, better safe then sorry IMO.
Anonmaybe you're having hemorrhaging in the brain. no one here can give you an answer as to "why" because they aren't neurologists lol. Best "bro advice" we can give you is start cutting things out of the equation, tweaking your liquid intake (more electrolytes, sodium, potassium etc) until they are gone.
I've had this happen with other things besides gear as well. Not sure what sets it in. Huge pounding headaches with exertion or sex.
I used to get this aswell, even during sex. Basically anything that got my blood pumping.
The pain in my forehead was unbearable, like being punched over an over, everytime my heartbeat.
Dont know how or what it was but thank god it faded eventually, wasnt even on gear at the time.
Hope it fades away for you bro, I hated it. Very debilitating to exercise when you got that going on.
It was like 10 years ago, if it happened again I'd go see my doctor, thats what I'd recommend you do.
Good luck with it, it's a lot worse than people realise.
Man, you hit the nail on the head no pun intended. That is exactly what I have going on. I appreciate the insight and hope to be back to normal soon.
This is strange... I'm actually a migraine patient I have been for over a decade. When I get migraines then it is 3-4 daily and I can't even open my eyes. Ive had to be on prescription medication to make them stop. Once they stop and I don't push my luck with the triggers then it won't happen again for 2-3 years.
Ive been as high as 600 test e and 400 deca and I've never had this problem, and I'm actually a migraine patient. Never even once even have I had a headache at all. These days 500 test e, 400 deca and haven't had migraine in a number of years now.
my migraines stopped due to medication before I started on roids and they haven't come back
Blood pressure is 127 over 76, totally normal. I'm leaving the Mast out and will see how things progress over the next few weeks and keep everyone updated. Thank you all for the advise and concern.
Your blood pressure is skyrocketing running 1000mg of test every week. Either cut back on the Arnold dosage or get ready for your 1st stroke. Iwas taking 600mg of test e and was having the same issue although I could still work out. I droped to 500 and it went to borderline hypertension 155/85 before and then 136/79 after dropping down. More is not better. What is your average bp taken every 10 minutes for 30 minutes?
I am not taking a gram of test weekly, 600mg/week split Mon and Thurs. That is a very common dosage and I have taken that for months now. I will do bp when I get home because this head ache hasn't let up at all today. I'm curious to know myself. At this point I am will to drop everything just to gain some balance with the whole thing. I'll get back to you later.
600 test and 400 mast a week is 1 gram. unless you dropped the mast, although mast is in your system for some time.
Yea, I dropped the Mast and may introduce it slowly to my program sometime down the road but I'm in no hurry. Your right, I'm concerned about how long it will take to evacuate my body of the Mast, its taken this long to become a problem so I hope it doesn't take longer than a coupe of weeks to straighten out.
It could be various things but since it started when you added the MAST,,,I would drop
it and see how it goes. Take headaches seriously,,,especially when the get to migraine level.
It's already been mentioned but I think it's worth saying it again since as far as I'm aware of its the biggest problems about rubbing gear..Blood pressure! Get your blood pressure tested with a surgical machine, this will tell you conclusively weather or not you have high blood pressure rather than just thinking it can't be that co's my face ain't red!
I appreciate the advise, really, I actually own the machine mobile nurses use. Its very accurate and believe me when I say i have racked my brain with logical explanations. I turn to the forum as a last resort before going and getting professional medical help. I was hoping I would find someone with a similar experience as me and what was done to correct the issue. Right now I can help but repeat in my head over and over the famous Arnold saying "It's not a tumor"! In his accent of course! HAHA But in all seriousness it does concern me as being a possible option as it wouldn't be my first tumor.
"its not a tumor" hahahahahah good old Arnie
Time to stop the guessing game and get blood work done. In the meantime have your blood pressure checked.
Bro the mast E wouldn't have even kicked in yet. Perhaps there is yet an undetermined circumstance adding to this. Im running almost an identical cycle now and haven't had any problems like that. The longer estered mast E would have taken 6 to 8 weeks to really become effective. Have you been checking your blood pressure at all? Do you feel flushed when working out or dizzy? Is your face, neck, or ears excessively red? Might be something to watch bro.
IMO I don't agree. The mast has been in his system since shortly after the first injection. If his body don't tolerate mast well, the levels wouldn't have to build up for 6-8 wks to experience sides. I start getting some acne on test e in a couple weeks. I would stop the mast for sure
I couldn't agree more. I was thinking the same thing but I'm no expert so i didn't want to contradict a more experienced user. Thanks for the input, yesterday was pin day and Mast didn't show up to the party!
Hopefully that works, but it'll still take some time for the long ester to leave your system so it may not be an immediate fix. Watch your BP closely in the mean time. I take celery seed extract ànd hawthorn berry extract for high BP and it does help. If you want to get bloodwork done w/o going to your doctor I see a lot of people on this board recommend privatemdlabs. Best of luck
Blood pressure is good, never flushed red or anything like that. I haven't changed any of my normal routine and I've been consistent for the last 6 months straight. I use to have a few drinks through the week socially and I cut that out entirely thinking alcohol may have something to do with it. I discontinued Letro because the Mast is so anti Estrogen. The only thing I have recently changed was added the Mast. As I am sitting here typing this my head is throbbing on each heart beat. It is 10am right now, I went to the gym at 6:15am, sat down to warm up with 60lb dumb bells on an incline bench to warm up and 11 reps in my head went from perfectly normal to ready to explode! This is how every exercise is and has been for about a week. Now, after about 15 minutes the pain resides where I can continue as normal but as the days progress the time to recover has been longer and longer and now just wont go away. After that set, I didn't even re-rack the weights, I drove straight home. I took 4 Advil then and since took 2 BC Powders here at work. My head is still pounding.
And that is your blood pressure, you cant check it sitting doing nothing, you have to check it before workout, during, then immediately after.