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+ 26 Equipoise (EQ, Boldenone) potential AI effects in some users

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Some people have been asking me about this lately, on top of Riva’s recent forum post. Others have said they get the same effect, and there really isn’t much out there on it. So I figured I’d put something together for you fucks, cuz I’m just that great of a guy.

The premise to this post is in the title – It seems that EQ has pretty powerful Anti-estrogen (well really anti aromatase) effects on a small percentage of users.

Let me start by saying that this is based on anecdotal evidence from on my own personal experience. I’m going to tell you two stories about a couple of runs (including the one I’m on right now), and tie them together with some WADA info and my own bloodwork to show you that I’m not just completely bro-sciencing this shit or talking out of my ass. This was a suspicion that I had last year, that ended up proving itself through bloods, duplicating itself through another run, and is backed up by actual evidence that let me know I wasn’t crazy.

My first run with EQ

Last winter I started my first run that involved an injectable other than test. It was a test/EQ cycle that I had perfectly planned out (bahahahahahahahaha)... I always start with the lowest effective dose when I try something new and everyone was telling me that 5-600mg was that dose for EQ. I really wanted the EQ to do most of the work to see what it was all about, so my plan was to run 630mg of EQ with just 225mg of test.

Backstory time!

For context, when I run over 150mg of test for my cruise, I need like 3.125 Ed or EOD of aromasin to keep my e2 in high 20’s/low 30’s where I like it (yes, I seriously cut aromasin pills into 1/8ths, or little bits and weight it out with a jewelers scale, because I’m a weirdo with mild OCD). With no AI, ~175mg of test will keep my e2 in the high 50’s, low 60s, and I’ll start getting itchy nips and water weight after a week or 2. Historically, I’m pretty sensitive to e2 sides.

As an example of my body chemistry, here are bloods from when I was running a cruise dose of 150mg a week of cyp and taking a mislabeled AI (aka no AI)... E2 was at 55.

For more context, I ran a couple of test prop only cycles at 525 a week. During those cycles I’d need 12.5-18.75mg ED of aromasin to keep my e2 in the 30s.

Moral of the story: I’m very sensitive to e2 and I typically convert at a decent clip.

Ok, moving on...

So I started this EQ cycle at the doses above (630EQ / 225cyp). My test dose was only like 50mg a week more than my trt dose, so I kept my AI dosing the same (a measly 3.125mg of exemestane ED), and within 10 days I was dragging, chapped lips, joints hurting, libido not too hot... all of the typical low e2 sides. I’m like “fuck man, I think my e2 is crashed”...

So I B-line it to labcorp, and wham-o:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/did-eq-crash-e2-after-only-10-days

“God damn it! Why am I always right?!”, I thought...

Super cool... now I’m crashed out. I obviously stop taking the tiny bit of aromasin, and I talk to a few guys about it. A few guys I respect on here (I wanna say it was Geo and Ricerroni) say they’ve had similar experiences, and all around swell fella, CarlosDanger, says he has a buddy or two that react this way, and that he doesn’t think I’m out of my mind with my suspicion of EQ causing my low E2. Then he wisely advises that I stop the
low test bullshit...

So I’m all like “OMG, totes great call, Carlos. Thanks for the talk”, and I up my test to 350 and start throwing in some prop on top of it to get my e2 up.

Success!!! (Almost)
https://www.eroids.com/pics/dragon-eu-batch-test-e-eq-labs

That was much better, but I wanted my e2 in the 30s. So I ended up upping the test to 420cyp a week, kept the EQ at 630, and threw in some prop here and there for the remainder of the cycle. I haven’t posted those bloods but my e2 stayed in the 30s the rest of the cycle, my gains started showing really nicely, I celebrated not needing an AI for the first time ever, welcomed back my joints, energy and libido, and everyone lived happily ever after.

Round 2!

So earlier this spring I was thinking, “Man, this Bryce Harper signing is really paying off! He sure is streaky though... More importantly, that EQ run last year was pretty sweet after I got my e2 dialed in... let’s do that again this year!”

According to my notes, my best dosage was 630EQ and 420test cyp. So I’m like “ok, that’s a 3:2 ratio. Let’s try 700EQ this year, which would mean I’d need 465cyp for perfect e2 the whole time. I’ve got this down!

bahahahahahahahahaha

Spoiler alert! I did not have this down...

Pre-cycle cruise bloods showed e2 in the low 30s. No AI but maybe 3.125mg of aromasin once a week at most, cruise dose at 150mg cyp a week. So I make sure I stop my random micro-dosing of aromasin after I see my Pre-cycle bloods sparkling and perfect. I am ready to kill this cycle, right????!!!

Wrong!

This time I got my EQ from a super reliable and trusted brand that has recently been publicly tested to show their EQ is exactly the dose it says it is on the label. So I’m guessing either a) the EQ that I got last year (from a guy that’s now in jail) was a little underdosed, or b) I got even more sensitive to these AI effects... Because the magic little ratio I thought I had worked out for myself didn’t work. Again, within two weeks my joints are killing me, I’m tired as fuck, and I’m like “motherfucker... I’m crashed out again.”

And yet again, I was right.
first image is what you wanna look at for this

Luckily I knew this game already, so I started blasting prop and TNE to get my e2 up quickly, along with upping my test cyp dose to 700. A couple weeks later I was feeling much better, and my workouts were going great.
Bloods or it didn’t happen!

The crazy part is 700mg test is the most Ive ever run, and that doesn’t count the 150-250mg of prop and TNE I’m hitting on top of that. So it’s more like 850-900mg a week of test.

I can guarantee you this: forget about the prop and TNE... If I used 700mg a week of cyp without an AI and I wasn’t on EQ, I’d have fuckin C-cups by now.

Yet here I am. Healthy e2 and side effect free. So riddle me that, Riddler.

Science?

I dunno, kind of. Here’s what we know.
Shout out to RVWolf for posting these links in Riva’s thread so I didn’t have to dig for them.

We see here that ATD is a metabolite of Boldenone. To the point that it’s presence (along with other metabolites) is used by WADA to help determine if an athlete has been administering boldenone.

What the fuck is ATD, you ask?

BOOM! Another link! READ IT!

“Don’t tell me what to do, D. You’re not my dad!”

Fine, then just take my word for it (which probably hasn’t ever backfired on anyone, most likely). It’s a powerful Suicidal aromatase inhibitor, that was pretty prevalent in OTC bodybuilding supps back in the pro-hormone days. It again says in that wiki article that it can cause a positive test for boldenone, since it’s a Boldenone metabolite.

Theories?

You know damn well I got em!

Obviously, we’re all very different. Some of you lucky fucks barely ever need an AI except on super high doses, while some of us need one at a measly 200mg of test. Some of you went bald from being in the same room as a tablet of proviron, while some of us can run superdrol, while injecting pure DHT straight into our scalp and haven’t lost a single hair yet. (Suck it, grandpop’s genetics!... I’m the captain now!) Some of you like high tren low test, some need exactly the opposite, and some of us are afraid to try it and find out.

The point is that we’re all different, and this situation is no exception.

I’m guessing that just like everything else that we convert, we all convert the ATD metabolite of boldenone at a different rate in different amounts. And on top of that, I think it’s safe to assume that some of us are more sensitive to ATD than others.

It seems to be on the rare side, but it’s clear that some of us experience powerful AI effects from Boldenone, and need to keep our test high enough while using it to make sure our e2 doesn’t crash.

When I first started googling this last year, I would stumble on a post once in a while on some forum, where some poor fuck was complaining that EQ killed his libido, or that EQ was giving him joint pain, or causing lethargy, or all of the above. Almost without fail, people either told the OP he was crazy, or thought something else was causing it. It didn’t even cross anyone’s mind that it could have actually been the EQ. Those posts are making a lot of sense to me now.

For first time Boldenone users

I wouldn’t go into this assuming you’re one of the few that gets AI effects from EQ. I’d go in with the standard research and assumption that it will convert to estrogen at about a 50% rate of testosterone, and assume that you’re normal.

—BUT—

Please be aware of this possibility, and have a game plan on fixing it if it does happen to you. If you start feeling shitty or your joints start hurting at any point, even as soon as 10 days in, go get bloodwork done and handle the situation accordingly.

My best advice is my only advice: Get bloods done often. You should be getting regular bloods on EQ anyway so you know if you need to donate. Get some early on too, so you know what’s up with ur estrogen.

Just another fun layer to this already overwhelmingly complex game we play.

As always, be safe and go fuck yourselves.

Hearts!

-DfP

BJ's picture

AWESOME Story...thanks for that!

marketaftermath's picture

Great post! Thank you!

Rocco134's picture

I run eq at 400 mg a year around only.. Best for me.. No bloat

DfromPhilly's picture

400mg a week, 52 weeks a year, no test?

Rocco134's picture

No test.. I do crossfit.. Benefit of red blood cell production.. Little bit anavar sometimes.. No problems.. Good quality gains.. Strength and recovery very good..

DfromPhilly's picture

I'm gonna be honest, that sounds bananas. I hope you keep up with regular bloodwork. You feel good like that? libido's good too?

I dunno man. I hope you're staying safe. That sounds very unhealthy on paper.

Rocco134's picture

What's the problem with eq only?

DfromPhilly's picture

Because you don’t have any testosterone in your system then. By all means man, you’re a big boy I’m not trying to tell you what to do. I’d just suggest you get regular bloodwork and make sure you feel good.

I wouldn’t advocate no testosterone ever, it’s an essential hormone our bodies need, but I’ve also never tried no test so I’d be interested to hear how your blooodwork looks and how you feel, how your libido holds up, energy, sleep, etc.

Rocco134's picture

Adding 150 to 200 MG test e?

DfromPhilly's picture

I mean that’s what I would do but if it’s working for you, you feel good and your bloodwork looks good, then maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’d add even just 75-100mg tho. Just so you have something in you.

But honestly you should get bloods done first to see what’s up before. Assuming you feel fine and aren’t having any sides. I’d still add a small amount of test to be safe but I’d be curious to see your bloodwork before you do.

GizmoDuck's picture

Saved it. Thanks man!

peterwinkle's picture

I found out a while ago that I cant run test over about 300mg without getting gyno... unless I run EQ with it. I dont run test without a low dose of EQ any more.

I posted this (below) some time ago, later realized that its the EQ that's responsible. I ran Test/NPP after that cycle and got some real nice tits again (at around 8% bf). Next cycle was just Test/EQ (at around 10-12%bf), my tits disappeared completely.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/cycle-killed-...

hurza's picture

I wish I could use it. Boldenone is the only substance so far that I would never ever recommend to anyone. It totally crushes my immune system and makes me feel really bad. Never again. I'd rather run 3 grams of tren ace than 500 mg boldenone if I had to chose one oft the 2 options.

That's just for me guys, enjoy your boldenone if it's okay for your bodies.

DfromPhilly's picture

You should google symptoms of low estrogen in men and then re-read this write up.

JHW's picture

Just started my first EQ cycle very relevant to me just now thank you, I’m prone to gyno so taking 25mg of exemestane eod as a pre caution but I was unaware of potential AI effects from EQ. Definitely need to get a blood test organised pronto

DfromPhilly's picture

Nice man. I’m very gyno prone too, but so far i couldn’t get gyno on EQ if I tried.

It seems to be a very small percentage of users so this likely won’t effect you, but I’d get bloods 2 weeks in to be sure. If everything is going well, get them at week 8 again as a check in. But if they’re off I’d go every other week til they’re not.

What’s your dosage looking like?

Good luck on your run.

JHW's picture

Test 500mg Deca 400mg EQ 600mg. Taking aromasin 25mg eod not taking caber but hav it on hand. Just wish blood test were cheaper mate it seems if you want to do everything right in this game the roids end up being the cheapest bit lol!

dextetherdog's picture

Great read man +

RVWolf's picture

Interesting article, thank you ! +

Cochise's picture

Thanks for the write up + and I even Hearted this one.
not planning on running eq for a long time and would like to read again someday

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Dr.BroScience's picture

Thank you for sharing your in depth real world experience on this subject.

Moral of the story, do not crash your estrogen.

Also do not be a "bro" & rely solely on " feel " when it comes to these powerful chemicals. Regular bloodwork along with cardiac CT scans are absolutely necessary in determining just what exactly is going on & likewise how to go about optimizing your protocols.

Also D, perhaps you may want to throw in a "no homo" after a "D" from "Philly" - the City of Brotherly Love , when using the words " OMG, totes great call,..."

JMacD's picture

I actually had that done last year. Got some things running on my Dads side and wanted to be sure for myself. All clear!

DfromPhilly's picture

Hahaha I try to throw in some humor so it’s not just a boring read of straight info. but yea... that definitely needed a no homo lol

Drock_357's picture

Well written with REAL experience! ....thanx!

GrowMore's picture

I chuckled while reading this. Still not sure if the best part is the information or the mention of you sporting a pair of C cups. How about DcupfromPhilly

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Cochise's picture

Lol funny not funny

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DfromPhilly's picture

Lmao. Love it!

stairmaster's picture

Very detailed and helpful, thanks bro !

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DfromPhilly's picture

Thanks brother. Hope you’ve been well.

johnmarshall12's picture

Very interesting for sure and a lot of work went into it. I'm sure it will help many. +

Carlos Danger's picture

This is my favorite kind of write up. Lots up personal experience backed up by bloodwork and I always dig a great sense of humor!

Im a little biased but I’m a fan of lots of testosterone. I naturally don’t have much so I enjoy a hefty dose myself:)
Glad to see you posting again brother

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DfromPhilly's picture

Thanks boss. Glad you dig it. You were definitely a big help in me figuring this shit out. And yea i think I’m team high test right with you!

DfromPhilly's picture

Thanks brother! It really is crazy how much bloods help figure a lot of shit out, yet people still don’t get them done.

Dr.BroScience's picture

I get my food scanned all the time.....at the grocery store.

DfromPhilly's picture

Wakka wakka!

helloBrooklyn's picture

Out of curiosity, what would a diet or gym scan entail, exactly? I’m picturing running every item we eat through a bomb calorimeter and measuring our strengths outputs with sophisticated technology like Ivan Drago in Rocky IV or something, respectively.

helloBrooklyn's picture

Boldenone is just a beautiful compound. What more can I say?

Thank you for posting all this. Excellent write-up

stairmaster's picture

X2

DfromPhilly's picture

It really is beautiful.

Thanks man. Means a lot coming from dudes I have a lot of respect for no homo.

Gymfoam86's picture

MOTHERFUCKER.... I think u literally just cracked what literally happening to me at this moment, this was my second try with eq, and I feel like dog shit 3 weeks in latest

DfromPhilly's picture

Nice! Go get bloods man that could be it. It hit me only 10 days in the first time. It might take a while for EQ to kick in but it doesn’t take long for it to crash your e2 if ur sensitive to those effects.

Hope this helps man. I was hoping it would when I wrote it up!

helloBrooklyn's picture

10 days! That’s a great reason to NOT do what some not-so-bright guys do who’ve never tried EQ, do a quick read up on it and its long half life, and assume it’ll be mild enough to frontload the shit out of in hopes it’ll “kick in” faster. Could just be begging for trouble. Ya just never know…

Much respect back at ya, brother