posted Mon, 04/08/2019 - 07:01
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I've come across a bunch of people online claiming EQ has ai effects. How much of this is brosience? I can't find any info on this subject online tbh. Can anyone tell me more about how that works? And if true how strong the effect is (dose dependant I suppose).
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I was actually just thinking about doing a write up on this topic. As I’m in my second run with EQ (this time at a higher dose, and have had to up my test yet again, even higher than last time). I have more labs to back it’s effects on me that I haven’t posted as well, along with one or two in my profile.
If anyone thinks it would be helpful I can definitely put together my personal experience, and pair it with labs and the studies below.
I will say after I nail down the doses I really love not having to run an AI. I typically aromatize pretty high but haven’t needed an AI on cycle since I tried boldenone.
RivaThat would be awesome and insightful not only for me but everyone I think. I've noticed it too. 250mg test with only 200mg bold for me is dry joints and joint pain from hell. Especially my knees suffer. Seeing the effects backed up with lab work would be great.
Ok sounds good. I’ll work on it over the next few days when I get some free time.
In the meantime, here are the labs where I first suspected that EQ has AI effects on me:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/did-eq-crash-e2-after-only-10-days
And here are labs after I got my dosing figures out (if I was running that amount of test without EQ I’d need 6.25-12.5mg of aromasin ED. And these labs are using ZERO AI):
https://www.eroids.com/pics/dragon-eu-batch-test-e-eq-labs
RivaNice, I have the same CENSORED batch good to see it's doing its job. I see you use test prop with test e, how exactly do you do that? Do you pin both together eod?
I actually alternated because I dont mind ED pins, but I do mind a lot of volume, but I don’t think doing it in the same barrel would be any different. Personal preference I guess. I dropped the prop too after the higher dose of test e had settled in, the prop was a safety blanket and means of getting my e2 up quick
RivaWhen I run gear around the summertime I like to do 100mg prop + 100mg test e, eod. With great results and almost no bloat thats why I was interested.
Bro i never need AI at test ~500mg per week or less. When i introduced EQ as i was bumping the EQ dose my estrogen was creeping up. That was after 6 weeks of test e with prop kicker and my bloods were stable. After i started EQ as soon as it went over 750 per week my e started to rise. So my guesstimate is that at least for me and how i react to it, it aromatizes and i need to watch it. Bloodwork is king and i stress that to all my buddies as well. All the info and case studies in the world wont tell u what ur blood will reflect, or at least not 100% accurate unless u test urself
Probably won’t aromatise at a lower dosages but once you boost the dosage sky high, aromatisation is highly possible
I think this is what you are looking for :
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/09a19ws_w._...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione
One of the Boldenone metabolite is ATD (1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione), a potent aromatase inhibitor, traces were found in urine sample after administration of Boldenone. Presence of ATD in an urine sample can report false positive of Boldenone usage.
RustyhookerBoom!! ^^^^^
This is exactly where cycle setup and blood work can dial folks in.
RivaGood shit man thanks for the input, any idea how much of bold metabolises to ATD?
Shit is starting to make a lot of sense, I usually bloat as hell on 500mg test but when adding some bold to it its much less. My experience though. Could that explain why people need so much of bold to notice the benefits of the compound. Tbh I never went higher than 300, I just use it for the stamina, pumps, vascularity and apetite benefits.
I have found some articles about Boldenone and its metabolites, unfortunately I am not a chemist and my knowledge is limited to interpret the results. I believe an approximation is possible by using blood works, Boldenone is a close parent to Testosterone and we know that Boldenone aromatize at 50% of Testosterone. People probably don't notice much benefits until several weeks in the cycle because Boldenone has a long half life and they don't frontload it. Something I found interesting about Boldenone is that convertion to and from seems highly possible resulting in false positive when testing. An other interesting case. After a horse race, traces of Boldenone metabolites were found in horses urines. Obviously the team, trainer ... were suspected of cheating. But because they had a strong reputation of been respectable people, experts were sent at the stable to investigate the case. You won't believe it. After several weeks of investigations, they found that before that race, the horses were feed with an old straw, and that the chemical reaction of that old straw in the horse intestine was the source of that Boldenone metabolite.
PcushionIt’s a veterinary grade steroid. It’s still used in the development of racing horses to this day. Google a track horse and a barrel racing horse on google images. The difference in muscularity and vascularity is amazing. It screams boldenone.
PcushionThat’s always been my problem. I want a % on the conversation, but you can’t get it bc no one has studied it. I have an article that lists all Boldenone metabolites but it just labels the ATP as “a metabolite if less concentration.” What we do know is
Boldenone converts to ATP
ATP converts to Boldenone
Lastly ATP is actually a metabolite of Exemestane
I personally conclude that if the bold in ATP isn’t enough to notice an anabolic effect then the ATP in bold prob isn’t enough to produce an Anti esteogenic effect
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1591280/
RivaFair enough, I don't think there is zero anabolic effect even at 300mg.
PcushionI believe the any increase in strength or muscle caused by take taking ATD would be attributed in the increase in test caused by he feed back loop. ATD used to be on store shelves (GNC, Bodybuilding.com etc) it’s now banned. I have actually tried it and it not as potent as it’s claimed to be. The fact that it’s an aromatase inhibitor that converts to boldenone in small quantities is questionable.
I have trouble running high doses of test for aromatization reasons. Always had a hard time dialing in E2. One cycle I may run (down the line) would be high test with moderate bold and mast to hopefully regulate estrogen enough to finally be able to try a high test cycle. One day.
What AI do you normally use? I had a hard time dialing in E when i used Arimidex. Not enough and E would climb, add in an extra .25mg a week and after a few weeks that would crash. Constant yoyo back and forth. Since i switched to Aro its been super smooth, even running higher doses near a G. Kept my E right where it should be.
I’ve tried Aromasin, Arimidex, and letrozol, no matter what my skin breaks out. If my estro is too high it gets oily and breaks out. If my estro is too low it gets dry and breaks out. There’s not much winning lol
I’m fine with it, I just run 100 mgs of test year round and add other anabolics as I want but I would like to see what the classic “1 gram test, half gram anabolics” cycle that Palumbo and a lot of other pros more or less recommend.
Damn bro that sucks. I would normally shoot you a bunch of advice based on things i tried but i have no doubt you already tried all those and MANY more LOL.
I must say though, running high test solo is pretty damn awesome. Add in some provi and get that free test sky high and its even better. Hopefully you figure out a method that works for you so you can experience the high test as well.
Take care bearded.
RivaMan I love masteron prop with test prop, i think adding Bold t to that would make you full and hard as nails. I'm sticking to test, mast and bold cycles anyway. Never cared for deca and tren is hit or miss for me in terms of sidd effects.
PcushionYears ago I read that there was a metabolite in boldenone acted as an aromatase inhibitor. That said I could never find anything scientifically written to back up the claim. My experience with eq is that if it does convert to an AI it’s at a very rapid rate and not of any benefit to my body in terms of aromatase inhibition.
RivaI do notice dry joints on EQ but that may or may not be a side effect of it acting as an AI. My knees where killing me though, I never had that before even when using masteron. Besides the dosages I use are usually so low that proviron and or masteron are usually sufficient to keep my estrogen in check. I'm a hyper responder to arimidex, as low as 0.25mg e3d kills my estrogen joints and libido completely. So if I use that i micro dose it at 0.1mg e3d
I’m pretty sure Dfromphily has some personal experiences with this. His labs can almost back up the claim. He and I have talked about it in the past. I’d hit him up or take a look at his lab work
https://www.eroids.com/users/dfromphilly
RivaThanks! Can't find anything in his labwork about it but ill shoot him a message.