posted Thu, 03/07/2013 - 07:16
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+ 1 Eq at 600-900 cons and pros?
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Was curious to see how many of u can helpme out with eq.. I know it's slow acting and takes a while to kick in and patience is the true key here until it shines its true power, but dosages what you all think about 600-900 weekly the main differences in vascularity lean muscle growth and hunger between those dosages?Any help would be awsome thanks
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Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ) has a half-life of about 20 days. HOWEVER.......that doesn't mean that it takes 20 days to get to peak in the body. It actually peaks in the blood in about 24-36 hours and then gradually falls to it's half-life in 20 days. The undecyclenate ester just means the blood levels of boldenone are going to be more stable over a longer period of time. There is ZERO advantage to front loading any steroids as they ALL peak very quickly.
If you front load with 200mg of EQ you will have 122mg (minus the ester) of Boldenone in your blood within 24-36 hours. If you front load with 600mg you will have 366mg (minus the ester) of Bolendone in your blood within 24-36 hours. The only advantage you have accomplished is doing a larger dose of Boldenone Undecylenate. The Boldenone Undecylenate is very mild on shutting you down
Anyway, if you are front loading Boldenone Undecylenate because of its long half-life you are wasting your time. If you are front loading it because you want to start off with an more anabolic steroid and gradually kick in the androgens then you have a good plan. Boldenone Undecylenate is about 3:1 anabolic to androgenic.
Muscleg33kMake sure you donate blood in the middle of EQ cycle. I was feeling lethargic in the 8th week of cycle and I decided to donate a pint of blood. Ever since I donated i stopped feeling lethargic.
Thats a good idea. Helps you and helps other. Win, win!!!
AnonIm running it at 420mg with 600mg test e and definatly notice the increased rbc! My hunger went through the roof at about week 5 at which point i added dbol 50mg ed but that soon levelled my appetite back to normal so the appetite thing is obviously dependant on the individual.. I dunno about back pumps but the JAW pumps are killers!! Im finding it hard to eat steak these days lol anything that has to be chewed alot hurts like hell after a few bites :/ ps a few of the reputable sources now stock eq blends dosed at over 1000mg/ml!!
this isnt exactly directed towards you original post per say, but im currently running 600mgs wk of EQ and frontloaded 1200mgs a wk for 2 weeks and had a constant mild headache from such the high amount for about 2 weeks straight after the first week. i know about the half life on it too so was surprised to be feeling sides so quickly from it, but half life or not thats my experience. im only on my 4th wk and thankfully no more headache, but already startng to see much more pronounced veins poppin and my hungers definitly up. this is my first run with EQ so i cant comment on other dosages or really even the 600mgs/wk as its far too early, just wanted to share my experience so far with frontloading. id rather not run for any more than 16wks absolute tops, which is why i made the decision to frontload - get the blood levels stable faster so it kicks sooner and we work our magic together just as effectively but for a shorter run
the headaches are due to your body producing a large amount of red blood cells in such a short period of time. The frontload probably shocked your body since you have never tried EQ before. Make sure your food intake is high and your water intake is extra high because your going to need it to produce the extra RBC. ALso take multivitamin I find that helps.
The massive increase in RBC can cause headaches, Anadrol does this as well. Like I said consuming more water and having proper nutrients for your body to use generally helps this.
Eventually your body gets used to it and you no longer get headaches. It's just that initial few weeks of your body adjusting.
Another thing is half life has NOTHING to do with how quickly effects happen. That is because it works immediately. It doesn't take 4-6 weeks to kick in it kicks in right away, it takes 4-6 weeks to NOTICE the effects. Sometimes less like you said with the frontload you noticed these effects much sooner.
I recently bumped my EQ to 1050mg in my cycle and no headaches or any bad sides at all, but I've also been on it for 6 weeks so my body is used to it and I used EQ in previous cycle.
thats what i suspected about the rbc, and i actually stopped takng B6 because it aids in the formation of rbc and with the EQ my body def doesnt need any more rbc than its already producing. i drink at the very least a gallon of water a day, i take a multi and also extra vit c, also i take a tbsp shot of apple cider vinegar 3x a day to help with potential bp issues.
i appreciate the feedback and further explanation, however i dont agree with what you're saying about how half lives supposedly have nothing to do with how quickly it kicks in homie. that doesnt even make any sense if you really think about it, because even on a simple test e cycle you dont really feel it for at least 3 weeks, and im not even talkng about notice visual results either if that makes sense. the ester and subsequent half life seems to me to have EVERYTHING to do with how quickly the compound produces effects, especially sides, because it releases into the blood slowly. the faster something kicks in, the faster you notice results. prop kicks in for me in a matter of days - i feel AND notice effects (mostly all sides tho) very quickly. enanthate takes about 3 - 3 1/2 wks for me ... this leads me to believe its the esters which are slowing down the release of the compound. if it kicked in right away, why is it i dont get raging hard ons outta nowhere, start to break out, and my skin get a lot more oily from enanthate till 3ish wks in?
i get what you're saying and agree about not noticing the effects for 4-6 weeks usually - how it has to be at work at a certain level for a certain amnt of time depending on ester half lives because thats what determines how quickly its released and broken down into its bioavailable form.
granted im no expert by any means, and i could very well be wrong - theres always more to learn and sometimes this is how i learn best, by explaining my understanding of a given area and comparing it to others'
You are completely wrong about the esters. But it's okay. You don't NOTICE effects until 3-4 weeks, but the second the steroids are in your system they exert their effects immediately.
Personally I FEEL test E or cyp by the very first shot of a cycle. Yes I feel it. I'm very aware of my body and anything that doesn't feel EXACTLY the same as it does naturally I notice it. I am probably more sensitive to noticing effects of drugs that most people though. EQ I notice right away, I get a little tingle in my stomach and a heavy feeling in my head. Within the first 3 hours of a shot. With DECA I feel it right away, i feel a little tired after each deca shot. By the first week my sex drive is down on deca. DECA has a 15 day half life and I notice effects by the first week.
Understanding half-lives is not an easy concept. Most people don't correctly have it down. Most just go by oh you feel test e by weeks 3-5, or prop by the first or second week, but that is just how long it takes for you to NOTICE the effects.
Increased Protein synthesis happens within hours of an injection, nitrogen retention also takes less than a week to begin in a deca cycle.
at the cellular level, receptors are being activated during the duration of the life of the steroid. It doesn't take 3-4 weeks for that to happen.
thats a far more thorough and complex explanation than the one you originally gave, yet actually easier for me to understand and see exactly what you mean. and now that i think about it, my brother actually said the same thing you did about being able to FEEL the first enanthate shot w/in a matter of hrs. thank you for the further explanation and helping me to better understand, that was very well worded in a way that wasnt confusing yet very detailed. good lookin out bro
No problem friend.
EQ is the weirdest compound in terms of how it slowly snowballs as the weeks go on, until it will present really massive results around week 15. How long you want to go after that is up to you. I've definitely stayed on EQ for half the year straight, and the results were incredible. EQ is essentially worthless if you plan on blasting it for 6 weeks or something like that. Too often do I meet people in real life that plan that kind of bizarre cycle. EQ doesn't even truly kick in until 6 weeks. For a cruise, you can front load and also you can just run the EQ at 600 mg during a 2-3 month cruise, and right when you are about to blast again, incorporate a higher dose of the EQ into your blast, and you already have the EQ in the blood. It will catch up to the higher dose quickly. 900 mg is a dose i like a lot. i disagree with people who say there is no point to run EQ below 900. i have heard that a couple times and i can't disagree more. you certainly see some benefits from it at even 600 mg, just not as pronounced. 900 mg is where the magic starts, but when you get up to 200mg every day, EQ can start giving you that bad lethargy/synthetic depression that everyone hates.
Thanks, it is good to read posts like this, from people who have a lot of experience with EQ. I notice the size gains around week 11-12 though. Weeks 9-18 of an EQ cycle are the prime of the cycle so I agree it is best ran for 18+ weeks.
x for later.. good info !
Muscleg33kwell i would get crazy BP at 600 mg weekly. When i took 2 tbps of apple cider vinegar with 8 oz water per day my BP dropped dramatically.
yes apple cider vinegar is a natural diuretic. It helps a lot.
700 works perfect for me. I like 600 but 700 makes all the difference. Increased hunger and vascularity from 600
800 I start getting headaches and high BP
900 I get anxiety in addition to BP and headaches
WithdrawlExactly the same for me.
yes, the only problem is finding EQ dosed at 350mg/ml.
GearofWarI know just the source to fill that need, lol! I'm starting an Eq cycle soon and I'm going 600mg/week so the 350mg dose doesn't make for easy dosing so I'll stick with good ol 200mg/ml.
you could just do 0.6ml 3x a week...
or 0.9ml 2x a week. easy. besides there is always a little that gets stuck in the barrel anyways.
what source btw pm if u need to
GearofWarFR sent bro. Then I can PM ya.
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Boldenone converts through the 5-alpha-reductase to the more intensive dihydroboldenone. So if you are sensitive for alopecia you should think about a 5-alpha-reductase Inhibitor like "proscar".
Except from that higher doses from boldenon could result in oily skin and acne but it's rare because it's only slightly androgenic. Also it's said that it will result in irregular resting heart rate and heartbeat. Indeed this is a common sideeffect of steroids but it seems as this is more common in the use of boldenone (maybe because it's because of it's erythropoietin releasing effects, which is the main reason for the higher blood pressure in the use of boldenone).
Athletes which have bad blood fat values should also be careful as boldenone can and will have harsh effects on them. Espescially if you plan to use boldenone for a longer time range..
Nevertheless boldenon is one of the most useful and potentest substances in the drug cabinet of a Bodybuilder.
sorry for bad english :)))
sources: personal expierence, Sigma-Aldrich "Vetranal" analytical standart, product data sheet.
I think the key to any new endeavor is moderation. If this is your first equipoise cycle then why not keep it simple and front load like P suggested and stick to the basic dosage schedule of 600 per week and test e at 400 per week. I would not add a prop taper though as it tends to diminish the vascularity of the equipoise.(that last bit of info came from Viking to me). The other alternative if you have experience with Sustanon would be to dose at 500 per week sus 250 and 600 per week equipoise. Of course the usual AI's and PCT apply. You could try tapering off with boldenone acetate but I hear it's a bitch of a pip. I cannot say from personal experience as I have not used boldenone in acetate form. If you would like to see what a front load cycle looks like compared to standard dosing you can look at the graphs I have posted here Maximizing Gains. I explain how the front load process effects the cycle over all.
WithdrawlGood EQ at 900mg elevates my blood pressure a little more than I like. I found 700-750 to be awesome without giving me side effects. 600mg will work nicely though. And I always front load with a double dose for two weeks to get it to kick in around 3 weeks.
With a 2 week front-load of EQ for 2x the cycle dosage, EQ will kick in around week 3. A 1 week front-load of EQ at 2x the cycle dosage will see EQ kick in around week 5-6. However, front-loaded dosages for most cases will usually be >900mg/wk and from feedback from other members, a dosage of 900mg/wk+ causes them to experience strong back pumps.
I frontloaded 2 weeks at 1200mg a week, am currently on week 6 of my cycle and honestly the EQ effects are just now kicking in. Im running 600mg a week.
I spoke to dossier before he left and he ran the same front-load and at the end of the first week he started to experience severe back pumps in the gym.
I ran 1200 for first 3 weeks and experienced no back pumps. I think dossier is one of very few people that have that side effect.
Must be subjective then.
How many cycles have you done? Give us some experience bud so we can point you in the right direction.We need to know all the stats. Weight and bf specifically and what your previous cycles were like. Then you will get plenty of nudges in the right direction.