Dosage and side effects?
Whats up guys I was hoping for some advice or reassurance I am taking the right dosage, also the only side effects Im experiencing are what I think is possibly growing pains in my joints or tendons, the only way I can describe it is kind of a sharp electrical ache in my shoulders, I have had some shoulder issues before but it subsides once I warm up and get going,and I know I may have described it sounding alot more painful or debilitating than it is, cause its not that bad but it does bother me and mainly in the morning, im not sure if Im sleeping in bad positions cause my sleep has also been weird. The other thing is I am extremely constipated but this may not be from my cycle as I suffer from that before I started. My doseage is as follows:
1ml Tren A 125 twice a wk &
1 ml every other day Sustanon test 250 pharmaceutical grade.
Any information or advice will be greatly appreciated thanks guys.......
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Only injecting tren ace 2x per week is just as incorrect as running in your first cycle. You need to be on test enanth 2x weekly at 250 mg each for a total of 500 mg weekly. Nothing more.
As you have stated this is your 1st cycle below, scrap the Sustanon and replace it with Enanth @ 500mg/wk and what on earth are you running Trenbolone for?
Im 2 wks in on the Sust and feel great and Im already seeing crazy results, other people are like wtf r u doing dude and it will be 2 wks on Friday, I blow up quick tho from muscle memory im guessing, I cant imagine the results are only from the Sust?????????? I feel like a million bucks, Im sure my test levels have been down for years tho due to meds and my un healthy lifestyle unfortunately, but I did a 180 on so many fronts, It almost seems too good to be true. Its hard to gauge the right thing when I hear so many different opinions, but most people say dont take the Tren, not everyone but most. I know I could handle it but Im gonna listen to you the guys on here and discontinue the Tren, Im already about 2 wks in on the Sust and it would take me 2 wks to get anything else possibly longer so Im gonna have to work with what I got. Im open to your feedback though if you will give me any other advice because the Enanth is probably not gonna happen, Ill ask my bro but I doubt he has any lying around, and Im really careful when it comes to purchasing this stuff.
Bud, don't get me wrong. I've just been reading your other comments about problems that you have had and I am REALLY Happy for you that you have turned your Life around and are feeling Great, happy and positive.
But this is your first cycle mate and Test is already too high at 800mg plus and taking Tren is Absolutely a NO NO on your first cycle - I am surprised more people haven't gone in for the kill on this Lol It's like going down the first car journey and missing out the slow and cheap car to learn to drive in and getting straight in the Lamborghini!!!! - You just don't do it Lmao You learn, progress and save the Best till maybe 4 or 5 cycles in.
Bring that Sust dosage down to 600mg a week split into 2 doses, that will more than enough for you to achieve brilliant results :-)))
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I was misinformed, want to put on some good size, got it very cheap, and saw the results my boy got from not doing half the training I know I could do.
5'9, 185. If this is true, then you're either already super SHREDZILLA, or you're at the beginning of your lifting/aas career. In both cases, it means you don't really have a use for tren. We don't like to give advice to folks when we see red flags in their post, so all I will say is what I would say to anyone who is already on these gears and came to me for advice (which happens irl all too often). Your BEST bet, overall, without compromising significant gains, would be to bring your sust down to 400-600mgs eod, and put the tren away until you've gained some significant size. Tren isn't a great drug for bringing beginners to the next level of mass. It's good for bringing already advanced and otherwise peaked physiques to a new level. In your case, it's going to put you at increased risk of injuring yourself. That joint and tendon pain you're experiencing is likely due to the fact that the tren is providing a level of strength output that they arent ready to support. This increases your injury likelihood greatly, and getting injured now, while you're still 185lbs, would really suck.
Hope that's all clear, again, if you do drop the tren, you won't be sacrificing all these gains, because you're current physique can only facilitate so much growth in one cycle to begin with, and the amount of sust I recommended can allow that growth potential to be realized without adding in other compounds that put you at greater risk of injury and greater risk of behavioral/emotional side effects. Tren only fucks people when they take it too early. Give it some time man. Enjoy your process.
I appreciate the info, I will stop the tren asap I only did 1 injection of the tren, and I only been on the sust for 1 week and have already seen results, I have been blessed with a good physique anyway but I have noticed especially in the last year my lack of energy and my buddy talked me into trying a cycle. I understand you guys are probably laughing at me cause Im totally ignorant and took this dudes advice as he has some good size and gained it very quick but I started to doubt his overall knowledge and thought I would try to get some better advice. I also am sure you guys are gonna tear me up on this but I have not even really been messing with heavy weight, I had put on a little belly fat this yr and Ive mainly been focused on burning that fat off first and concentrating on calisthenics for the first wk or two. I will definitely take anything you guys share with me to heart and start taking my research more seriously as I dont want to cause myself injury or harm.
This will sound patronising so I apologise but that’s a lot of Testosterone for someone at any point of development. I’m close to your age and height and it’s still been many years since I have been that weight (which isn’t saying you are light or not training hard) but I assume you are more concerned with shape than bulk hence the idea of Tren (wrong Ester for stable levels). I know common knowledge is once you get past a certain age Test levels dwindle, but you don’t need to be doing doses like that to give you more energy. Seeing an Endocrinologist would be the way to go if vitality is your aim. TRT is a daunting thing but it’s better than getting your advice from someone based on build. He may be at a different stage, have different aims and react differently. Sounds like he sound be looking into cycle advise himself. As for the injury, rest is always better than risking it. Tendons are harder to fix than muscle. Also if energy, body fat and pride are what you are after, do some reading, do some running or cardio and look at your diet. See your GP (or endocrinologist) as well if you can. But I suspect Test is possibly only part of it. Your metabolism is possibly slowing down. Happy 40th for the future!
Ive been on a medication that has really killed my testosterone which is why Im trying to come off it but thats another story, so lets assume I have low test levels before I started the Sust.my aim this month was to burn as much fat as possible with alot of cardio etc. I really dont have alot of body fat but what I do have is in my stomach. I would like to get bigger more so than cut up, what do you recommend on top of the SUST? Is it to late to add something on top of the sust, this Friday will be 2 wks that I started, and I can see results already which is insane, but I think its mainly just muscle memory as I said I literally just started training again after years of not taking care of myself.
Molinin302What medication crashed your levels?
Methadone
For sure man. Long term heroin use crashed mine, and then suboxone kept it down and continued to make it drop more over time. I still managed to pull off a solid natty base before I jumped on, but I had to pull out ALL the stops to make the slightest progress over the course of 5 years. Once I hopped on gear I remembered what it was like to be horny enough to wanna eat my girl's ass, felt inner confidence, etc. HRT opens so many doors for so many men. People like us, who utilize medication assisted treatment, are an unknown about population that benefit immensely from it.
Molinin302Gotcha, pretty sure it was klonopin or the withdrawal process that crashed me. Ild have to go to doctors out of state to get a straight answer, one network has a monopoly in my state and of course they prescribed it to me. Keep up the good fight my bro
Molinin302I have a feeling someone's trolling, but I have to add my two cents as I saw something here thats not always clarified, or the way I read it might be different than what is meant in many posts. Sust is full of shorter esters, prop is a very short ester, hence the frequent injections of EOD and in some cases ED is recommended. Ok, here's where things could be improved, myself included as I'm guilty. When I say I'll be injecting the prop EOD or M/W/F, it doesn't necessarily mean the full 1Ml dose. If someone (possibly with an English language barrier) is doing that with sust, which may be the case here, thats going to add up very fast to a very large dose. Im going to be more careful in the future with my wording.
I am doing 1 ml of sust every other day, and Im aware I may sound ignorant because I am but dont forget you were too at some point my friend, I feel the same way when I deal with novices when it comes to cryptocurrency and day trading and Im asked retarded questions but I try to remember how it felt in the beginning. I will admit my fault in not reading and researching at all and just listening to people who I thought knew better than I.....again Im grateful for any feedback. I ONLY DID 1 injection of Tren and just started last friday on the Sust so plz dont chew my head off brother.
So I just want to be clear. IM gonna be 40 yrs old next month, this is my fist time using test or any steroids, I just started last Friday and I have been doing 1 Ml eod. I just got my tren 2 days ago and started with a half ml as someone directed me. Im hungry for some good advice and will take it very seriously, Im hearing I am doing too much sust, and wasnt pinning enough tren for it to benefit me how it should and that I am not ready for it anyhow as Im only just beginning my 1st cycle ever. How much sust do you recommend? how often? I have a little less than 2 in a half bottles left of sust, and 3 bottles of tren, not that it matters cause you guys have advised me to stop the tren for now, should I purchase more sust? and how long should a full cycle be? I was told 90 days but doing as much as I was initially 3 bottles definitely would not have lasted 90 days, and its obvious now I was misinformed by my buddy. Thanks a million for your help bro, it means alot!
No one has chewed your head off bro. He's saying, make sure you are thinking in terms of weekly mg intake of the drug. So since you have sust, you need to keep pinning it EOD or ED. If you're going to be smart and take the suggestion of 400-600mgs at most, then take that dosage you choose, and divide it by 3.5, and that will give you the mgs you want per EOD shot. Don't think in terms of mls, because that doesn't account for drug concentration and isn't a practical way of measuring. you want to concern yourself with the mg. Start the tren at 0-0mg per week for the next 3-8 years.
OH! Edit on original comment: I didn't meant to take 400-600mgs eod. I meant divide 400-600mgs into eod doses and stick with that so that your total weekly intake of the sust you have is 400-600.
I was just kidding about the chewing my head off thing, I have to remember its hard to convey context sometimes so just to be clear It takes an enormous amount of critical criticism to make me catch feelings, it impossible actually in this setting, so I appreciate your opinions and take them very seriously. IM getting the impression you are not a fan of Tren or maybe that its not for guys like me that are not competing or experienced at all, I definitely was misinformed about what Tren was all about. My buddy told me if Im gonna do a cycle to just go all in and do it in the manner where I will get the most results, his opinion of getting that was obviously doing way too much Sust and giving me Tren. I have discontinued the Tren and will definitely concentrate on the amount of mgs Im consuming on a weekly basis rather than concentrating on the ML eod and not acknowledging the half life etc. Which now that Im aware of this it sounds very stupid the way I was going about it, and I could see why people thought I was trolling, I apologize for my ignorance and jumping into something without taking the proper percautions and educating myself, you guys have really saved me from possibly causing some type of injury or horrible side effects. I have no pronlem pinning so if every day is better please advise, also I would appreciate the best way to go about combatting my body creating estrogen and exactly when to start taking it. Im still kinda lost about how long my first cycle should last, I did see some info in here about 1st cycle but it also said it may vary from person to person, since you guys know my situation I would really be grateful for any feedback
875 test and 250 tren. Like Keith said more info is needed really. Please forgive some of my assumptions if they are wrong. Also like Keith said tren ace needs more frequent pinning. You pin the test eod so i don't see fear of injections being a problem. First assumption is that you are inexperienced, I base this on you not knowing about pinning tren more frequently. If im correct you are not ready for tren in my opinion. If you are experienced then well 250 is a fine dose to start tren at in my opinion. Depending on if im right or how right I am 875mg of test a week is too much as well. Thats alot of gear. If you're within your first 3 cycles id recommend keeping at or near 500mg of test a week.
So more information is needed, please update us with stats so we can better help you.
In regards to growing pains that shouldnt be a thing if youre over 24...... which I believe is the minimum age to be here. I have pain in my shoulders on chest or shoulder days if I don't warm up good enough which radiates down my arm, sounds similar to what you are describing. I just warm up really good and start light
I AM very inexperienced I must admit....I just started this last Friday, I only did 1 injection of Tren as I just got it, 3 bottles. I have 3 bottles as well of sust. My buddy told me to do 1 ml every other day, and start with 1/2 ML OF Tren then move up to 1 Ml twice a wk. I Will stop the Tren immediately, like I said I only did it once. I swear I have seen a change in my body in 1 wk, its insane and I feel great ex rn ept some minor pains i associated to putting on weight so fast, as even before I started the test I was putting on weight rather quickly because of a much healthier life style, I changed my life this year on many positive fronts and Im really grateful for tou guys and any info u share. I will listen to u guys and stay in touch and let u know my progress as I believe thats what this is all about, I have coached beginners on many other platforms doing different things and I personally always enjoy to see someone grow and progress in whatever they do and if I can be of some service thats a privilege, so I appreciate u guys more than u know, I believe my friend had the best intentions but u dont know what u dont know and Im a sponge for learning new things amd I do regret not doing alot more research before I started injecting these things in my body without knowing what I was really doing, very stupid now that Im looking at it, hindsight is 20/20.
So the changes you saw in a week are probably from the tren (99% sure) this is because the acetate ester is so fast. That and well tren is the most potent steroid (debatable). It is much shorter than other esthers. Do you understand esters and half lifes? Keeping blood levels stable? These all tie together. I can break it down for you if needed. Test will continue to give you results just not as fast as acetate or as strong as tren. Being new to the game though test is plenty of anabolics to get the job done.
Pro tip: the more you know about what you put in your body the better you can make it work for you.
I research everything I out in my body. And research it again everytime I use it again. I'm always learning. This site right here has vast amounts of knowledge. Just read through the forums and you'll learn a ton. Maybe it will be overwhelmed but the more you read and hear something the easier it is to remember. We're all here to help each other out bro. Reach out to me if you need anything or I'm sure ine of the higher rated guys could answer your questions if you asked them as well
It would help to have a little more info, stats, cycle history. Plus it makes no sense to only inject a short ester like Tren A twice a week. You should really do more research before you use an extremely potent compound such as Tren.
Thanks man, I replied to everyone and Im very grateful for you guys sharing your experience and knowledge, its priceless man, the only thing I would want to add to all my previous replies is Im inexperienced and alot of the lingo you guys use I feel very stupid as I dont understand some of it, I will spend my day off today reading and researching and familiarizing myself with everything I can. Thanks again man