Does Equipoise help with joint/ligament recovery as would Deca via collegen synthesis?
I know these two compounds are often compared to one another as they do have some similarities and there is probably as many people who'l swear by deca as there will be for Equipoise for bodybuilding, i have not had experience with either of these compounds before and i will be looking for something to give me an edge to get back to hardcore gym sessions ASAP post microdiscectomy at L5 S1, obviously only when im fit to do so and have done my physiotherapy/ recovery period.
I dont like the idea of prolactin issues related with deca as it can be hard to sort out im led to believe and am quite drawn towards Equipoise as ive always liked the sound of it, has anyone had similar issues as myself and used either Deca or alternatively Equipoise to help them recover post microdiscectomy and after the recovery period.
If not any advice relevant would be appreciated on the two compounds.
Do you dose Eq considerably higher than Deca or similar and is there much of a cost difference?
Note ill be on course for 12 weeks at 500mg test P/W probably with anavar in there aswel as i know it is or has been for treating spinal recovery due to increased collegen synthesis in the US.
Damn the NHS they wont help me on this front.
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Get your blood work done
RBC, Hematocrit
If you eat properly and control your water retention with deca, you won't bloat much...AND, its far better than EQ. Anyone with much exp with tell you that Deca is a better bang for its buck, and makes you feel great. Deca doesn't just "lube up the old joints," it also helps to decrease anti-inflammatory tissue. Use both at at a low to medium dose and enjoy.
def watch those. and deca is more powerful of the two.
EQ is better than deca for that. EQ can be dosed slightly higher than deca but be careful it raises RBC higher than any other aas besiders maybe adrol. The following figures below only apply to low dose test (100 -200mg a week) 500 mgs of test will weaken your tendons. must be under 200mgs
deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
I think that EQ is gonna be more beneficial for my next cycle with it having the edge on the collagen synthesis front over deca this is going to be the sole purpose of me running one of these compounds after all, i could no doubt run the EQ at 300mg a week no probs just to keep it simple as itd just be 1ml in the barrel @ 300mg if i can get it at this mg per ml, im sure i've seen EQ at 300mg per ml from a couple of sources? Do correct me if im wrong.
Nice bit of info on the testosterone having a detrimental effect on tendon strength i dont want that, you learn something new every day so i will probably run the test at the higher end of your suggested dose when run alongside EQ.. posibly 150-200mg per week of pharma grade test E would be OK.
I think its correct that EQ converts to estrogen at 1/2 the percentage of test so do you think i should bother with an AI while on this course, probably no need?
On the primobolan front its not going to win the argument over Deca or EQ for what im after but it is a quality compound im aware, i know you need to run it at a high dose and its usually not too concentrated on a mg per ml basis so id have to run it at a high dose/amount administered and it will be out of my price bracket and out of the picture ultimately ill probably never run it unless i win the lottery or some shit lol.
Anyways thanks alot very helpful and informative negaburn9 definately helped with my thoughts on putting together this up coming cycle think ill call it "back recovery cycle with the science of AAS" ive time to gater info and fill my box of tricks with the necessarys.
Spot on cheers for that mate.
EQ at 300mg a week may be great for the tendons but thats not a very anabolic dose and you probably wont see much as far as muscle gained. I would recommend higher 500mgs with 150mgs of test for for 14 weeks - 16weeks for maximum EQ benefit. i have put muscle on with just 150 mg test a week you may be able to as well if gear is properly dosed. If the bottle reads EQ 300mg/ ml and you want to use 300mgs total, just inject 0.5ML monday and 0.5ML thursday. 500mgs a week would be about 0.8ML monday and 0.8ML on thursday. Always use an ai , even at low dose. I am on TRT at 150mg a week. I take arimidex at 0.25 mg every 3 days. this keeps my estrogen around 30 (normal is 7 - 42). high estrogen reduces the benefit of high test.
with 150mgs test and 500mgs of EQ i would take arimidex o.25mg monday , weds, and friday. lab test after 4 weeks to see where your estrogen is at. you dont want it too high or low.
primobolan is great. if i could afford it and had a great source for it i would use high doses of it. with low test of course. it is faked and underdosed a lot though. Consider anavar as an alternative to primo. less expensive and equally safe.
Ill buy gear only if its from trusted high quality sources mate, ill read up on reviews and such as you should, i couldnt put bunk in myself no no.
The test E im running is a little more expensive than UGL grade stuff generally but thats not a problem(some UGLs are good dont get me wrong) but i can say for sure that its pharmasutical grade stuff and so dosing with it precisely will not be a stab in the dark affair... literally it will be 250 mg per 1ml so i figure 0.6ml equates to 150mg background testosterone per week of the fore-nentioned test E unamed of course but its the best going basically, or should i mix 0.3ml in the same two weekly injects as the EQ or is that pointless with it being test E?
I will be running EQ for 14wk then i believe (ill have to seek out a good source/lab for this now) and i will run the EQ at 500mg per week so ill need 3 x 10ml of EQ to do the whole course as i worked out that 2 x 10ml at 300mg per ml would only stretch to 12 wk at 500mg per week.. unless i can get a handfull of 1ml vials of EQ somewhere that is quality stuff hmmm not sure about that though.
And on the Anavar well i already have 100 x 10mg tabs of very highly rated lab/source and im buying another 100 x 10 mg tabs from a different source and lab but also is of a high quality.
Ive done my homework no end on Anavar for sometime now the magical steroid lol no seriously though it is a special compound and you could probably tell me more about it than i could tell you but i know it should be of benefit as part of the stack in my next cycle,. hence a suggestion/question... with Anavar being a good AAS to help with collgen synthesis (one of its original uses was for osteoperosis sufferers amongst numerous other clinical applications) and Anavars muscle building qualities when dosed effectively so id like to run it at 40mg ED for the last 8 weeks prior to my cycle ending so from weeks 6-14 id run 40gm ED of Anavar on top of the 16wk of EQ at 500mg PW split into 2 jabs on a mon and thurs ( is that for evening out the blood levels?) and the Test E 150mg PW do you think i could save a few pennies and dose the EQ at 400mg per week because of the addition of Anavar stacked in there or do i need to just keep it real?
Ill be having Arimidex throughout the cycle and itl be ran as you have proposed- this was how i was going to run this AI anyways to keep estro sides down even before i changed my cycle then PCT of nolva and clomid for 4 weeks and then whats next hmmmmmm? enough for now ey lol
Yes mix the test E and EQ in the same syringe. save money and pain this way. as a rule, you can mix two oils but never mix a oil and water based drug. i like monday 7 am and thrusday 7 pm injections to keep the blood levels as stable as possible. this puts your injects at every 3.5 days. good choice on anavar at the end , should harden you up pretty nicely. I would also run hcg at 300iu monday and 300 iu thurs to keep testis producing testosterone and making recovery easier. the pct you listed is good too,
StevebThis is what Equipoise does http://www.silownia.net/steroids/equipoise
read the link mate thanks for that
I sure do love deca!!!! Makes my joints feel young again.
tread-mStats and cycle history would help a bit here.
As youd commented on my post "stats and cycle history would help a bit here."
I was wondering if you had some input/advice to followed up on that requested info?
I replied to you and went on to specify my stats/cycle history also back problems im dealing with presently (which im medicated up to the max for by my GP presently)
I went into detail for you there so just thought you could have advised me a little?
Or were you just treading on me for not being specific enough?
Im a relative newbie at the end of the day with general knowledge id say and plenty of time to gather much info... as much as i can so ive loads of time/ passion and the intelligence to study which i enjoy doing also going through the forums for info, see im gonna have at least 6 months post back surgery which isnt for 4 weeks yet before i could even consider going back on a cycle obviously this next cycle will be tailored if possible to help me get back to form literaly, concentrating first and foremost in making my back better (o'naturale of course) and going through the physiotherapy stage patiently then when ready i can use the science behind AAS to gain the phisique i am looking for once more, this time period for me sucks big time its demoralising going from super fit to back is shit.
So any advice on my post would be welcomed always by anyone especially experienced members, im here to learn and be courteous and helpful to others whilst in the process throwing in a bit of humour for the banter.
With your ranking and your karma/knowledge youd maybee be able to give me some input on the matter, it would be much appreciated.
My profile will shows my general stats..Ill give you a brief cycle history which i add im not "seasoned" in AAS thus im seeking help and knowledge.
well im 5ft 9" im 14.6% body fat and weigh 75 kg im 27 years old with a knackered back now for 5 months so im not smashing the gym as id like to...that would not help with my future goals and aims its more maintainance as best i can without straining my weak lower back dont know if you have experience in my problem or not but if you have you will know its quite a hold back in everyday life.
Before even considering AAS i was super fit jogging 10 miles twice a week, football for 1 hour twice a week, lots of cycling and was going to the gym quite often doing cardio and lifting weights and liking the change my body presented with hard work and good diet it built from there and i got inspiration and direction from my brother who helped me come on leaps and bounds with his fair knowledge.
I have done a test E 10 wk course at 375mg every week with Dbol kickstart for first 3wk at 30mg and arimidex at 0.25mg E3 days and it worked well for me put on around 9 lbs post cycle that was end of last summer, started another course of 375mg test every week and 50 mg Anadrol ED for 3 weeks or at least thats what id put together as an intended kickstart to this cycle then BOOM back went so after 6 days on i had to stop the cycle immediatly because of pain and Doc put me on dyhydrocodeine, Diazepam for muscle spasms, diclofenac anti inflamatory and a nerve supressant called gabapentin for my sciatica.