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+ 3 Do you think a liver cleanse prior to a cycle as well as during is beneficial?

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I want to run some dbol and halo with some oils. Is it a waste to do a liver cleanse prior to my cycle instead of just doing it during the cycle? I know its good practice to always bo on a liver cleanse but im just curious if the benefits are minimal or worth it.

giardap's picture

I do get roid rage, yes its real.
why dont you start a roid rage topic?? Get your own topic going, somewhere to blow your horn and toot your black and white theory.

No I dont habitually or socially take drugs... but as a kid I used to
No I don't smoke, but I used to... I stopped about twenty years ago
So what?!

PTSD - You should not speak about such things. You, like with your BS to kibby, dont understand. It's not something you should be banging on about really. To anyone really.

Listen jay, as you attempted to do with kibby, you are trying to lecture to me about things you simply dont understand.

You need to look to yourself fella. The absolute shite you have been sprouting across this poor ould OP's thread. Check yourself jay. If you are banging on like this on the interweb, in your ragey little way, then you can probably assume your real life needs a little help.

Get your shit together man.

Oh and stop stalking me!!! It's Ghey AF!

kibby's picture

Does having depression make me unbalanced?

And I've taken tren I don't "take tren" I'll never touch that shit again.

And to call me unbalanced is offensive to me dispite my anxiety and depression which I've suffered with for many years before steroid use. I still manage to provide a stable life for my family and have a full on social life.

To call me unbalanced is a low blow
What I do have is an illness!

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kibby's picture

"If you dont like the word unbalanced then it is unstable. And if you suffer from depression and anxiety you should not be on gear. Unless you are currently mentally stable enough to handle it."

So basicly your saying that everyone without any emotional or mental issues could run any compound and have zero psychological effects?

Complete bullshit......like I said create a forum and let's see what other members experiences are

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giardap's picture

x2 on creating a forum post

kibby's picture

everything you listed does not apply to me mate.

You've never once seen someone flip out excessively???

Or over react to something that really isn't a big deal?

Why not create a forum and let's see other people's opinions and experiences

Peace out

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kibby's picture

Mental maturity and mental stability are two totally different things mate.

You called me unstable. Someone who is unstable is very unpredictable i.e. going on a murder spree ect.

I'm very stable bro.....just an average family guy .

And I'm not playing any card I was simply telling you my situation.

Have a good take care

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kibby's picture

Ok bro maybe I took your comments the wrong way

I didn't think you were being a dick just what you wrote and the way I interpreted it struck a chorde.

Fr sent and apologies if I misunderstood

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giardap's picture

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giardap's picture

You just negged a post that didnt have any content.

Jay, you are out of order on so many levels.

giardap's picture

Ok, how about this...
Let's stop following each other?
Agree to disagree?
Call a truce?
No more insults?

whatever you want to call it....

giardap's picture

STFU is the only response for a troll jay.

And you are acting like a troll jay. You are banging on like a little woman, chasing me around because you didnt like my tren forum. And here you are hijacking another posters forum too with your bullshido.

The nonsense you have just posted, shows exactly how dim you are. Well done, good man yourself.

I mean.... lol..... you just thought you caught me out..... lol..... on a post where I am discussing taking liver care precautions YEAR ROUND!!!! WTF?!

LMFAO

giardap's picture

Not interested in your effeminate crap jay, nor your insults.
It's ghey AF.

Stop following me around troll.

kibby's picture

Bloods are key mate......good luck

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kibby's picture

Anyone care to explain the pussy neg for advising bloods?

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Caeser's picture

Always on point Giardap...
I follow same protocol... healthy liver is a top priority for me.

press1's picture

As time has gone on I've come to realise the main organ people running gear need to be concerned about is the Heart, Kidney's then liver. Its very rare you hear of anyone dying of liver disease who's using, its always heart/blood related such as strokes, heart attacks that seem to get guys further down the line. Then quite a few needing kidney transplants and renal failure etc.

giardap's picture

Im beginning to lean that way too
We should all probably be getting ECG's, check for growth and blockages etc

giardap's picture

Yeah C, it is important. I find when I am out of whack, I can feel it very fast.... inflammation etc.... all seem related.

giardap's picture

If you can get access to this study you will find it interesting: "Milk Thistle in Liver Diseases: Past, Present,
Future
". I can email it if you want.

Several pharmacological studies have been carried out on the active components of MT, silymarin and silybinin. It has been found that these substances exert hepato-protective, antioxidant, antiinfl ammatory and
antifi brotic properties; in addition, they stimulate protein biosynthesis and liver regeneration, increase lactation and possess immuno-modulation activity.

giardap's picture

I just put up a link for Irish Mack. It is a short url link to a pdf document being file hosted.
Let me know if you can see it?

det.johnkimble's picture

Its never a waste. I run 5% Liver and Organ defender 365 days a year. The only orals i've used are anavar and proviron, not terribly bad for the liver, not great either lol. I drink 1-2 days a week and that's why i use the stuff. I've tried numerous cycle supports over the years and the 5% brand has garnered the best results blood work wise. There are varying schools of thought when it comes to liver support with harsh orals. Some folks say only run the support after wards so the liver can concentrate completely on eliminating just the orals, while others say run it before and after. I'm with the latter. In this day and age with all of the crap in our foods, the environment, etc, i feel its best to run a good overall support all year long. I look at it as i only have one liver and if i can get a decent product for 25-30 bucks a month to help out than why not? With Dbol and Halo you have to respect those compounds and be prepared for any adverse health effects that may come. I've had friends run crazy amounts of orals and suffer no ill effects and others took one pro horomone compound and damn near went jaundice within a week! So best advice i can give is get some good quality support, run your compounds as intelligently as possible, run your support after as well, and lastly follow up with blood work a month after you've stopped the orals just to be on the safe side. Best of luck.

JugulrTRENsuspension's picture

Hell yeah that sounds like a good defense . nac is the shit. Dont they give it to tylenol o.d. in hoapitals. I have to get some i..v glutathione. Doc wont give me it cuz liv is normal haha

kibby's picture

Don't forget....your body has to process EVERYTHING you put in it including liver supps.

So you have three lots of liver supps at say.....2-pills of each a day?

Then whatever orals your using.

Then all the food your eating and so on. Try not to over do it with protection otherwise you may cause more issues.

Tudca and milkthistel is an extremely good combination with plenty of water.

Also try making your own lemon water for the end of the day drink 1 liter before bed to hydrate and detoxify.
1 liter of water
2 Whole lemons squeezed in

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giardap's picture

Also try making your own lemon water for the end of the day drink 1 liter before bed to hydrate and detoxify.

Genius addition man. helps alkalise the body a little too. So valuable. +'s

kibby's picture

Giadrap is clever af mate.....would be silly not to listen to him.

Preload your chosen supps 2-3 weeks prior to cycle.

Then after your cycle go for a good detox and fast

Protection for on cycle

Detox when finished......you can't detox whilst still adding toxins (orals ect.)

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det.johnkimble's picture

No problem at all, the other folks have some great advice as well. Got some very smart and experienced members here which is a big plus when it comes to our "hobby" haha.