posted Sun, 11/18/2018 - 04:09
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+ 3 Do you think a liver cleanse prior to a cycle as well as during is beneficial?
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I want to run some dbol and halo with some oils. Is it a waste to do a liver cleanse prior to my cycle instead of just doing it during the cycle? I know its good practice to always bo on a liver cleanse but im just curious if the benefits are minimal or worth it.
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I do get roid rage, yes its real.
why dont you start a roid rage topic?? Get your own topic going, somewhere to blow your horn and toot your black and white theory.
No I dont habitually or socially take drugs... but as a kid I used to
No I don't smoke, but I used to... I stopped about twenty years ago
So what?!
PTSD - You should not speak about such things. You, like with your BS to kibby, dont understand. It's not something you should be banging on about really. To anyone really.
Listen jay, as you attempted to do with kibby, you are trying to lecture to me about things you simply dont understand.
You need to look to yourself fella. The absolute shite you have been sprouting across this poor ould OP's thread. Check yourself jay. If you are banging on like this on the interweb, in your ragey little way, then you can probably assume your real life needs a little help.
Get your shit together man.
Oh and stop stalking me!!! It's Ghey AF!
Does having depression make me unbalanced?
And I've taken tren I don't "take tren" I'll never touch that shit again.
And to call me unbalanced is offensive to me dispite my anxiety and depression which I've suffered with for many years before steroid use. I still manage to provide a stable life for my family and have a full on social life.
To call me unbalanced is a low blow
What I do have is an illness!
jayiskif you would actually read my post this is in the topic "Test and depression"
Yes i no its an illness..,this is part of my post try reading the whole reply on that pg..,
"I've had Major Depressive Disorder.., which people like to call clinical depression.., and Generalized Anxiety Disorder most of my life."
You can't play the illness card on someone who has the same thing. My reply was not meant to attack you on that.
it was referring to be 1 issue of why people blame steroids for roid rage or their behavior.'
1-you are not emotionally and/or mentally mature (Stable) enough to be on it.
If you dont like the word unbalanced then it is unstable. And if you suffer from depression and anxiety you should not be on gear. Unless you are currently mentally stable enough to handle it.
i mistakenly thought you were on tren.
"If you dont like the word unbalanced then it is unstable. And if you suffer from depression and anxiety you should not be on gear. Unless you are currently mentally stable enough to handle it."
So basicly your saying that everyone without any emotional or mental issues could run any compound and have zero psychological effects?
Complete bullshit......like I said create a forum and let's see what other members experiences are
x2 on creating a forum post
jayisk"Jay...steroids don't cause eroid rage?"
Eroid rage yes people on here flip out over the littlest shit.
Roid rage no. I have been using gear on and off for 25 yrs.., and been around a lot of people on gear. Never seen roid rage. Have I seen people get aggravated yes but no more than an average person having a bad day.
Again I will list the 3 reasons why people blame steroid for their behavior.
1- you are not emotionally and/or mentally mature enough to take it.
2- you are on other mind or mood altering substances. Like drinking Guinness.
3- the side effects of the steroid cause it I.e. not sleeping, being hungry, sweating,etc.
When I'm hungry, hot, and tired on or off gear I get real nasty.
Need to be honest and take responsibility for our behavior on gear
everything you listed does not apply to me mate.
You've never once seen someone flip out excessively???
Or over react to something that really isn't a big deal?
Why not create a forum and let's see other people's opinions and experiences
Peace out
jayisk1- you are not emotionally and/or mentally mature (stable) enough to take it.
did not say everything needs to apply mate. i said there is no such thing as roid rage and these are the reasons why people that take steroids blame the steroids...,instead of taking responsibility for their own behavior.
Yes i've seen people get aggravated and pissed off on gear...,is that roid rage ..,NO!!!!
i have seen the average 9 to 5 person lose their temper, flip out waiting in line, road rage, get aggravated, etc.,etc. Some people are just assholes and others are stressed out and have poor coping skills.., there are other reasons..,point is on gear no gear people have bad days. dont blame roids.
I keep saying the same think.
Look if you and your buddy want to blame your behavior while on steroids on "roid rage".., if that makes you feel better..,great stay in denial.
Mental maturity and mental stability are two totally different things mate.
You called me unstable. Someone who is unstable is very unpredictable i.e. going on a murder spree ect.
I'm very stable bro.....just an average family guy .
And I'm not playing any card I was simply telling you my situation.
Have a good take care
jayiskNO. I am not referring to someone that is having a psychotic episode or hearing voices.
I'm glad you are stable and things are well with your family.
I'm really not trying to be a dick to you but you got caught up with issue that started with another member.
But if you are going through a srs episode of depression., the kind where you dont get out of bed, sleep all day, lose interest in everything, and cant think clearly or function in daily life.., then clinically you're unstable. Its a terrible thing to go and get back to normal takes time and suffering.
And if you're in that state or if anxiety is affecting your daily live to where you are suffering adding steroids to the mix isnt a good idea.
Look i know the suffering you have gone and by no means intend to make fun or take this illness lightly.
I hope things are well with you.
i would prefer to leave this issue between you and I to an end. I think enough has been said..,some taken out of what point i was trying to discuss with you.., this isnt worth going back and forth over the topic of roid rage or mental health.
take care mate.
Ok bro maybe I took your comments the wrong way
I didn't think you were being a dick just what you wrote and the way I interpreted it struck a chorde.
Fr sent and apologies if I misunderstood
jayiskI know you're a good dude kibby.
I should have just said "agree to disagree" .., instead of continuing to reply with comments that could be misunderstood.
Have a good one mate!
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jayiskThought you said "I was following you around.""
But the truth is you are a drunken stalker.
What only witty replies and karma when someone " strokes your ego" and you get all sensitive and touchy when someone disagrees with you and tells you the truth.
You are a bitch.
Mad because you never reached your goals in the gym. Couldn't put on enough muscle mass princess.
GROW UP!!!
"According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, two-thirds of victims suffering violence by a current or former spouse or partner report that the perpetrator had been drinking, compared to less than one-third of stranger victimizations. Among spouse victims, three out of four incidents reportedly involved an offender who had been drinking."
Was it really tren?
You just negged a post that didnt have any content.
Jay, you are out of order on so many levels.
jayiskThat's cause you keep following me you creep.
You must have brain damage cause you just posted to stop following you..., AND AGAIN YOU ARE FOLLOWING ME!!!!!!!!!
Just let it go punk.
Ok, how about this...
Let's stop following each other?
Agree to disagree?
Call a truce?
No more insults?
whatever you want to call it....
jayiskLet's stop following each other?
Agree to disagree?
PERFECT!!!! Honestly I wish this was brought up earlier. It's a waste of time to go back and forth with each and continue with insults. Obv. we having different opinions on issues but this was the wrong way to go about it.
have a good day
STFU is the only response for a troll jay.
And you are acting like a troll jay. You are banging on like a little woman, chasing me around because you didnt like my tren forum. And here you are hijacking another posters forum too with your bullshido.
The nonsense you have just posted, shows exactly how dim you are. Well done, good man yourself.
I mean.... lol..... you just thought you caught me out..... lol..... on a post where I am discussing taking liver care precautions YEAR ROUND!!!! WTF?!
LMFAO
jayiskWhy so butthurt. Because the studies I posted are legit. Not like your "cherry picked bullshit." Studies on Alzheimer and Alcohol are nonsense? Thought you were so concerned with everyone's health and safety.
Get honest with yourself and admit you're washed up.
Do you even lift or do you come up with excuses for that also.
I'd rather be a troll then a weak minded drunk. I PL so i no longer drink or use drunks.
Yeah I would discuss live care YEAR ROUND if i was taking steroids and a drunk.
Maybe when you sober up you can actually come up with a decent reply.
I don't "chase you around" you show up with your anti-tren nonsense in other topics.
Be a man and get to the gym and actually train.
Not interested in your effeminate crap jay, nor your insults.
It's ghey AF.
Stop following me around troll.
Bloods are key mate......good luck
Anyone care to explain the pussy neg for advising bloods?
Who_CaresThanks Kibby
Always on point Giardap...
I follow same protocol... healthy liver is a top priority for me.
As time has gone on I've come to realise the main organ people running gear need to be concerned about is the Heart, Kidney's then liver. Its very rare you hear of anyone dying of liver disease who's using, its always heart/blood related such as strokes, heart attacks that seem to get guys further down the line. Then quite a few needing kidney transplants and renal failure etc.
Im beginning to lean that way too
We should all probably be getting ECG's, check for growth and blockages etc
Yeah C, it is important. I find when I am out of whack, I can feel it very fast.... inflammation etc.... all seem related.
Who_CaresI never really get on milk thistle because i been told many times thatnits effects are highly exaggerated. G is that true?
If you can get access to this study you will find it interesting: "Milk Thistle in Liver Diseases: Past, Present,
Future". I can email it if you want.
Who_CaresPlease do that G. I love articles like this.
I just put up a link for Irish Mack. It is a short url link to a pdf document being file hosted.
Let me know if you can see it?
Who_CaresGot it buddy thank you
Its never a waste. I run 5% Liver and Organ defender 365 days a year. The only orals i've used are anavar and proviron, not terribly bad for the liver, not great either lol. I drink 1-2 days a week and that's why i use the stuff. I've tried numerous cycle supports over the years and the 5% brand has garnered the best results blood work wise. There are varying schools of thought when it comes to liver support with harsh orals. Some folks say only run the support after wards so the liver can concentrate completely on eliminating just the orals, while others say run it before and after. I'm with the latter. In this day and age with all of the crap in our foods, the environment, etc, i feel its best to run a good overall support all year long. I look at it as i only have one liver and if i can get a decent product for 25-30 bucks a month to help out than why not? With Dbol and Halo you have to respect those compounds and be prepared for any adverse health effects that may come. I've had friends run crazy amounts of orals and suffer no ill effects and others took one pro horomone compound and damn near went jaundice within a week! So best advice i can give is get some good quality support, run your compounds as intelligently as possible, run your support after as well, and lastly follow up with blood work a month after you've stopped the orals just to be on the safe side. Best of luck.
Who_CaresI bought TUDCA NAC and Organ Defender
Hell yeah that sounds like a good defense . nac is the shit. Dont they give it to tylenol o.d. in hoapitals. I have to get some i..v glutathione. Doc wont give me it cuz liv is normal haha
Don't forget....your body has to process EVERYTHING you put in it including liver supps.
So you have three lots of liver supps at say.....2-pills of each a day?
Then whatever orals your using.
Then all the food your eating and so on. Try not to over do it with protection otherwise you may cause more issues.
Tudca and milkthistel is an extremely good combination with plenty of water.
Also try making your own lemon water for the end of the day drink 1 liter before bed to hydrate and detoxify.
1 liter of water
2 Whole lemons squeezed in
Genius addition man. helps alkalise the body a little too. So valuable. +'s
Who_CaresGoid shit kibby i never thought of that. I thinknlike G said maybe a good fast is the best cleanse
Giadrap is clever af mate.....would be silly not to listen to him.
Preload your chosen supps 2-3 weeks prior to cycle.
Then after your cycle go for a good detox and fast
Protection for on cycle
Detox when finished......you can't detox whilst still adding toxins (orals ect.)
Who_CaresThanks for the detailed response DJK
No problem at all, the other folks have some great advice as well. Got some very smart and experienced members here which is a big plus when it comes to our "hobby" haha.