posted Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:50
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+ 1 Deca solely for joint repair?
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So i was wondering what you guys thought about this. I have had joint problems my entire life and i had an ACL replacement last year so i was thinking of adding deca to my current cycle solely for the joint repair qualities. I'm currently on a cutting cycle of 600mg test-e for 12 weeks. This is technically my third cycle but since the other two were all fucked up I'll say this is.my first cycle.
What dosage would i use for joint repair?
Will that dosage hold water?
Should i just wait till my next cycle during bulking season?
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You should try taking Curcumin, the active ingredient in Tumeric, it helps greatly with joint problems and inflammation. It is very safe, and pretty tasty when you add it to soup; not to mention, it is damn cheap! It is one of the most studied substances, and is extremely helpful. Good luck with your joint problem.
AnonI was misinformed and told that it helps build up joints but i'm glad i learned otherwise. I have a disorder where i do not have any collagen in my joints so i was hoping for a miracle i suppose. Ill see about tb500 that's pretty interesting but gonna have to wait I've spent quite a few $ on my current cycle/pct
I have read thru this whole thread. It is true that Deca does not repair joints. But if your having problems with your joints as far as pain and you dont plan on getting surgerey and you do plan on working out regardless. Then I ask why not run the Deca? If you keep in mind that your problem areas are all still there and the compound is just being used so you can actually enjoy yourself while lifting.... Go for it Bro. Why is your uncle running his Test lower than his Deca?
Deca doesn't repair joints
Take a look at tb500 or maybee its tb400
biggerthanyouHaha wtf its def tb500...
yeah i forgot and didnt want to look,i was tired as shit.Im taking it too.Seems to be working.
AnonI just looked it up pretty pricey. How much are u running?
I dont think im using it right,im using 1 bottle a week wich is 2mg.I havnt found em any bigger.
http://melanotanhq.com/bodybuilding/tb-500-%28thymosin-beta-4%29/
safetyfirst21I found this awhile back:
wk1-4 3-4mg ew (1.5-2mg 2X a week 3-4 days apart)
wk5-16 1-2mg ew (In one shot seems the norm, but you could do two)
i really dont like the idea of using deca for joint relief as it does nothing but mask problems it does help sooth your joints thats for sure but when you come off sometimes there are worse. I have always had a bad left knee ever since i was young and hurt it and from always being a big guy it didnt help with the problem anyway two cycles ago i ran npp and test prop and it was great joints felt amazing but the problem was my knee didnt hurt so i started to really push my self with my leg workouts, stacking the leg press with as much weight as it could take and pumping it out for reps and still felt great but when i came off it was pretty rough my knee was worse than it ever was and its taken me quite a while to build its strength back up so just keep this in mind if you go that route
Wardi77Deca will not "repair" your joints, it will just put more water in them, it turn giving you joint soothing properties, but as far as repairing it, HGH and GHRP-6 is the answer to your question. Deca is actually bad for the joints if you think about long term, it eats away cartilage.
+1 on this, i use deca every cycle. it doesnt do a damn thing to heal. just lubricate and mask
safetyfirst21Its been shown in animal studies to increase collagen synthesis, so has EQ and Var. These are animals though I suppose.
Buildbigger86Ward, I was a aware that deca does not repair you joints, but i didn't know it was bad for your joints if you are thinking long term.
My uncle is 52. He has run many cycles over his younger years( High dosage, multiple compound's). He has had many surgeries over the years. He ripped his bicep, he had a knee replacement , and broke his top right rip cage.
He runs cycle's still but very low dosages. He runs 200mg of deca a week shoulder shots, and a 150mg a week of test.
I told him to raise his test but he is older and doesnt have ed problems, so he just run's test for production of test and deca for his joint relief. He works out everyday. He has to go light now because of his injuries over the year, he also boxes 2-3 a week. He about 220, 5'9, prob like 20-16% bf. He is a tough ass mother fucker.
He cannot run HGH because when he broke the top right rib cage, he suffers from permanent internal problems. I forget what he said what was wrong him internally. Anyway because HGH will makes everything grow permanently. That he could make some organ internal grow which is under his ribcage, which in turn could make him die. So He is not able to take HGH. He wishes he could but he can't.
If you don't mind if you could elaborate more on long term joint problems from taking Deca, I would truly appreciate it.
Also i have done some reading on GHRP-6 but i am going to do some more right now.
Being his is my uncle, i want him to be taking the best gear that will benefit him the most and not hurt him even more down the road and he doesn't even know it.
Plus 1 on this
Thank you again
Wardi77While it does offer joint soothing properties, the downside to deca, is the fact that couple weeks after cycle, your joints will feel like hell. Your collagen production will be in the gutter and your joints will feel worse than before the cycle. In my opinion, it just masks the joint pain, allowing you to lift heavier, but in actuality you are causing more damage to the joints by doing so.
Buildbigger86So it the situation with my uncle at 52 what would you suggest to do?
Wardi77Well, him being 52 years old and having already ran several cycles throughout the years, I doubt anything you or I can say will pursuade him or make him think twice about what he wants to run and how he wants to run it. It sounds like he uses deca for the joint soothing properties and nothing more. Does he ever come off it or he just continually runs it to aid the joints? Now I do know old timers who uses deca for that reason along with their TRT and they do not come off, they just switch up the compounds, for example, deca will be run for 16 weeks, then they will switch it to EQ, all the while running test and HGH with it. By no means am I suggesting he does this, I was just stating what I know of others doing. I am not a doctor or a "guru" so I can not recommend a specific protocol for your uncle, but if what he is doing works for him, then in my opinion why change it. Why try and fix something that isnt broken.
Buildbigger86Wardi, you hit it on the nose. Before he admitted to me he run's gear he was switching back and fourth from deca to test. I was like wtf are you doing. You need to run the test with the deca at same time because although deca doesn't convert to estrogen, it stop's your natural production of T-levels. So now he run's them together.
But yes he run's the deca for joint's somewhat/ he inside love's gear. He only runs deca and test now though and has been for the past few years. He does go on and off but i am constantly fixing his cycle.
Your right about the old timer's though. When they are set on it, they wont listen to you. But he has done so much gear that i am trying to figure it out what he can do for his joint pain but Deca is the only thing i think at this point. Thank you for your input my friend.
AnonI got igf-1 lr3 and ipam and cjc-1295 w/out dac that im gonna be doing 4 weeks igf 4 weeks ipam/cjc throughout the whole cycle including pct... shoild that give me what I'm looking for?