posted Mon, 08/01/2016 - 00:29
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Anadrol question
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I have been on 4 cycles before and have used different orals such as Tbol, anavar, and dbol as parts of cycles. I have never tried anadrol but I am curious to hear from anyone who has used it. My main focus is strength gains not so much size. I have read alot about how as soon as anadrol is discontinued all the size goes away, but Im wanting to know if any of you have had good retention of strength post anadrol use. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
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Any compound that causes rapid weight/strength gains is likely going to result in just as rapid loss of those gains once the compound is discontinued. Actual muscle mass which is built over the long term is what will result in the long term strength/mass gains. That needs to be accomplished through long term training methods and diet. Orals just seem to be a quick boost to get you feeling good when starting a cycle and not the be all and end all to long term gains. The full course of the cycle is where the endproduct gains will come from, not the short term use of orals to kick or end a cycle.
This is an interesting question, and I have never seen it properly addressed, including in this particular thread.
When we talk about keeping or losing gains, what is generally being referred to on eroids is size, rather than strength.
Like Piranha, my priority is building strength, and while a fine bonus, asthetics are secondary for me. Personally, I have stayed away from orals for the most part. But the primary reason I have done so is that blowing up in strength, only to lose it upon cessation doesn't have value for me. But if you guys with good experience could validate any orals that promote solid strength gains that can be kept to a reasonable extent, then I would be really interested to hear about it.
So does anyone have an answer to Piranha's question? How much, if any of the STRENGTH gains from drol can be kept upon cessation?
To take the question a bit further, are there other orals that could be recommended with this specific goal in mind? Based on the limited discussion I have encountered, I would guess Tbol and Var would be considerations. Am I off with this?
Any feedback from you vets out there?
Thanks guys.
Edit: personally, I am hoping to hear about hormones that are milder than stuff like halo or superdrol.
Strength gains being kept comes down to consistency , rest , diet and training. Nothing else.
Training like your still on gear even when your off it. Many guys train different during a cycle than when they are off cycle. Many don't even realize it. Many people train insane while on , knowing they are on they push it to the limits and do things correctly. Now when they come off , they dread pct so it's already ingrained in their head that they will feel like shit, get weaker , and lose gains. So their training suffers , they screw their diet up, they give up easier saying to themselves "yea I'm off now".
Alot of it is purely physiological. Guys shoot themselves in the foot.
Your should train even harder after your cycle is over. You should eat more than when you started as you've gained more. You should rest to give your CNS a rest and give yourself ample time to recover.
Thanks so much Tony. This is good feedback, and a very important topic in itself. PCT isn't fun, and it is easy to "let it go" because you feel like crap. It's also easy to be burned out by the end of a cycle anyway. But as you said, this time is absolutely critical.
What is the point of investing time and money, and in some cases risking your health, just to lose all your gains within weeks of your cycle completion?
Good stuff!
I would personally stick with Tbol.
Thanks Pump. That's about what I figured.
Peace!
I would go for Dianobol over Anadrol. Because Dbol has low water retention and has less sides than Anadrol. When it comes to strength Anadrol beats Dbol, but Dbol can still do the trick without the harsher side effects.
ANADROL is my absolute favorite oral. It puts SIZE and STRENGTH on me like no other. I respond very well to it with little to no side effects.
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50 ED before training is all you need.
Do you find that you maintain a decent bit of the strength gains after cessation of drol?
bigurielSame here. Incredible strength gains, look really full all the time, a bit of bloat but not as bad as dbol for me. Sides are just mild lethargy at higher doses and hot flashes a few hours after taking it, plus decreased appetite but that's a good thing for me because normally I can't stop eating.
I don't think it deserves the bad rep it gets as far as side effects, and it's largely just from people who haven't actually used it repeating what they heard somewhere. Plus the temptation to use too much is very high, just 50mg a day is good for some good steady gains with minimal side effects, at 100 or 150 the strength gains are silly but sides are to be expected.
I don't keep all the gains but still keep a lot more than from dbol.
moojThe problem with Anadrol I find is the way it makes me feel - like absolute death. Depressed, lethargic and generally in a very bad mood. Taking a few dbols with it can get rid of this but then you are banging more orals. If its strength your really after (like me) then do three weeks of M1T or halo, don't drink and use protection. Whenever I've done this I've never experienced the horror stories or dark urine, yellow eyes etc. Strength will shoot up and the only mild sides can be very slight lethargy at first but I find this disappears after a few doses. No doubt I'll be flamed for my recommendations but that's my experience and its worked, people who train for aesthetics seem to hate the more toxic orals in general. PS also these were done on top of the usual Test/Deca base.
Thanks guys I really appreciate the input.
the traditional use of an oral like anadrol would be to kickstart a long ester cycle. so while you are waiting for the long esters to build up the anadrol provides some immediate increases in mass and strength. usually you discontinue the oral around 4 weeks just as the long ester injectables are kicking in.
in my experience anadrol defiantly provides an extra boost to your workouts that isnt continued once you stop it.
if you use test prop, you wouldnt really need a kick start as the prop ester takes effect pretty quickly.
there are other ways to use and other uses for anadrol, but to stick to answering your question i would say no that the strength gains from anadrol dont stick around.
Can you lay out your previous cycles. Were they oral only cycles? Are you considering taking anadrol alone or with another compound?
No, they were never oral only cycles. The base was always test prop ED, and I'd either use masteron, EQ, tren, or npp to go with it. Like for example my second cycle was a 10 week cycle of test prop 350mg/wk, masteron 350mg/wk, and dbol for the first 3 weeks at just 20mg/day split am/pm
And no, I wouldnt plan on just anadrol alone. Obviously test prop as a base, but possibly something else as well, Im not sure yet.
Most people put size with anadrol. Many seem to hold water with it as well.
I've used most traditional orals out ther and I'm really not a big fan of any of them. They're all hard on your liver (some more than others). Most strength and size gains seem to disappear quicker with orals as well. I like the low and slow method to gaining. You keep most of what you get and its much healthier that way.
May not be what you're looking for, but that's what I've got for you. Best of luck.