posted Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:16
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35 and looking to change up my current cycle
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I have been using PP100 (1cc) and Tren200 Enanthate (1/2 cc) for 2 separate cycles now. Being 35 years old I am looking for better performance and strength and am curious as to the benefits of someone my age taking Sustanon.
I was thinking of doing the following stack every 3 days for a full cycle:
1/2 cc PP100 (Phenylproprianate)
1/2 cc Tren 200 Enanthate
1/2 cc Sust 300
Is the balance of this stack decent? or will I be shooting my money down the drain?
Second, I have read that when using Sustanon that the Test decanoate would require me to have an estrogen blocker. If so, what oral would be recommended, if any is truly needed?
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I kind of held off on this because you seem a little green. But you seem to be very interested in Sust and you are asking the right questions more or less. I wrote a paper on esters working together using sust as the base. If you read it and the links I have imbedded in the write up, you will have a better understanding of sust and test compounds in general. It will also help you understand half lives much better.
How Sust Works
Good Luck!
IronMonkIts law here-no spoon feeding. I can tell you what to research though.....
AROMATASE INHIBITORS
HCG
TEST ESTER HALF LIVES
POST CYCLE THERAPY
PROLACTIN/PROGESTERONE/ESTROGEN
GYNO
HPTA DAMAG
FOOD
These hormones can seriously fuck you up if you dont research alot. You will end up with tits no muscle a broken dick tiny nuts a fat ass and acne. Basically thr total opposite of what you want...your research and understanding will decide. Google google google then google more and come.back and we'll fill in the gaps but no spoon feeding here... good luck
I understand you guys have acquired the knowledge and have become specialized in your research.
Instead of telling me that I am not ready, when I am trying to learn the basics, how about send me in the right direction for the best source of information, which would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the responses.
you've already found the best source of information, eRoids. How bout you use that blue magnifying glass which is the search function and do the legwork yourself instead of asking everyone else to do it for you?
From your original post and the questions you asked you clearly have little to zero knowledge and have done no research, yet you've already pumped advanced compounds into your body.
IronMonk...your first cycle should be test only btw...
Google AROMATASE and PCT first though....
let me try a different angle.
Originally I was trying to shed weight and get a lean look, hence the usage of tren, but he added the Phenyl as a base for the stack. Every 3 days I took one intramuscualar injection. I most definitely should of started with the acetate as opposed to the enanthate in case I had a bad response to the Tren, but luckily for me I didn't.
After much more reading, I understand Sustanon is a form of PURE testosterone, and is great for helping boost low test levels if not reverse them, but comes with the definite dangerous side effects being an aromatizing steroid, hence needing the AI to help block.
Long story short, I want higher test levels, and had great results with the tren as well. The average cycle I did was for no more than 12 weeks.
So, since sust already contains 4 different tests, there would be no need for the added PP100, and I would like to gain the benefit by adding tren into the mix. Long story short, can I get a yes or no that this would be efficient for a guy with low testosterone, that is looking to help burn off his fat but preserve his lean muscle mass?
your post leads me to believe your not ready to be using steroids quite yet. Keep reading and learning and then come back with a decent plan and will check It out but for now just stay naturally and stay away from gear. You risk messing yourself up big time.
I appreciate your response but that wasn't my question. I have used maintenance doses of PP100 for my testosterone levels and Tren to help synthesize my proteins better, as initially I was looking to get a lean look with a little more strength. Being 35, my testosterone levels have reached their plateau.
Other than the tren and pp100, is there anything you recommend I can stack?
I'm looking for proper insight into a decent regime, or I will just fall back onto the same old Winstrol and Turanabol stack.
So you self prescribed yourself TRT. How do you know at 35 your levels have plateaued? I would venture to guess you put yourself there. Fall back on what you want to, but it sounds like you are depending to much on chemicals. If the previous cycles haven't worked then your diet or training was off. Bringing on more compounds will not get you past your hump. What exactly is your goal?
I have never used any anabolic since I began training back in 98. I was going to wait until my body reached its peak before using any as I did not want to do any irreparable damage. About a year ago I began having low energy issues, lack of focus and sex drive, and visited my doctor to have chemical testing done, which he informed me that my testosterone levels seemd to be a little lower than average for a male my age.
So after 16 years of the "natural" training process I turned to one of my fellow trainers and close friendwho had been using anabolic supplementation for the last 15 years. He was a very knowledgeable nutrionist and chemist, which led him to design his own private label sports supplement, so of course I told him my predicament. I told him I was not trying to get huge, as at 5'7" and being 195 lbs I would look absolutely ridiculous weighing in over 200. I was having major issues burning off fat, as well as my current lack of energy production. He steered me in the direction of the tren, because of its great fat burning properties yet lean muscle preservation, and the phenylproprionate for the test increase. I did what he advised me as maintenance doses, and had me on a 12 week cycle, at the end of which I would do my post recoevery cycle to level my hormones back out. Originally I was interested in the standard Dbol and Winny mix, which he heavily advised against, since the Dbol would require an AI, which I was not considering messing with at the time.
So, 1cc PP100 stacked with 1/2cc Tren every 3 days for 12 weeks. I had no issues, no problems, no adverse effects. But while under cycle, I began reading up on as many different kinds of anabolics, since I did not want to be heavily taxed when I could order them myself. I used Eroids to locate proper distributors and pharmacies since there were such in depth and knowledgeable guys giving there feedback, and was trying to begin ordering for myself.
Yes, I am fully aware of the dangers of aromatizing steroids, the chance of broken balls, bitch tits, and acne, and the dangers that come across. I have not had ANY bad side effects or issues with the current stack.
I was looking to improve my strength and testosterone levels, hence the upgrade to Sust, since it already contains the phenyl I was using by itself before.. Personally, I like Tren. I think its fantastic and it did wonders for my bodies ability to process not only the nutrients I took in, but the fat as well.
Burn fat, boost testosterone levels and strength. That's what I am trying to do.
That's all. Thanks.
A lot going on here. Your "friend" did you no favors by putting you on a two compound stack for your first cycle. One being the most powerful anabolic on earth, and one being a short ester. Lucky for you they were low doses. ALL forms of Testosterone convert to estrogen. In this case Tren doesn't convert to estrogen and your test dose was low enough not to cause any sides. You not achieving the gains you desire with these compounds shows insufficient diet and training and lack of experience with AAS. I'm not telling you to stay away from roids, but I think a cycle of Test alone at a higher dose with a diet that promotes fat lose will do you wonders. You mention nothing used to combat Tren sides, which can include, lactation of your nipples and erectile distinction. You have no reason to run Tren yet. You can burn fat with cardio. Lay out a simpler cycle. What's the big deal of takin an A/I? Have it on hand if you need it. I. Hope you are still doing PCT after each cycle. Tren can absolutely kill your natural test production without proper recovery.
He's already run Tren or did I misread?
Yeah I already ran tren. I am off cycle now but no apparent side effects. I am definitely not opposed to taking an AI and solely running just test, which I will probably do next time around and see if there are any apparent differences. I have always been interested in Sust, hence my ongoing research.
I like sus, but recognize that it is a botched TRT product that never made it in the US pharmaceutical market; but it seems to hold some kind of fascination for you that I don't quite comprehend. It can certainly be used as a base hormone in a steroid cycle if u so wish but to keep blood plasma levels nice and stable I would recommend eod pinning. Is that really what u want? I use it, I keep a supply of it at all times, but for me anyways it's not an oooohhh aaaahhhh type of compound.
I would highly recommend Test E or C only. Less pinning. Sust is the only form of test that's given me estro problems. Part was not utilizing the esters properly. It's more for an experienced user. If you've never taken an A/I to manage e2 I wouldn't expect Sust to be side free.
I was looking at the possible stack of Sust with Tbal, given Tbal has a low risk amount of potential bad side effects, and comes with the nice strength gains with minimal bloating. But after reading more on the test e, I might very well just do that for now. I'm glad I got some sound advice on the tren before I got myself in any trouble with it.
Thanks for the great info!
No problem, do not underestimate Tren. You could have 2 great runs then one that could really mess you up. It is a very unpredictable compound. Commands great respect and knowledge of your body. I'd run a Test cycle jus so you know how you react to Test alone at a higher dose. 500 mg a week. You wanna shed fat then limit carbs throughout the day or carb cycle.
There is no doubt my diet plays an issue, lol. Like I said I really enjoyed the tren, but my experience could of been very well from the pp100. I will definitely try the test e.
What are your thoughts about pp100, btw?
I haven't tried TPP, but have used Test Prop very similar. EOD pinning can get old. Usually shorts are limited to 8-10 weeks. Sill this early in your use id stick with a long ester. You may hold a little more water, but can easily be managed. Unless my cycle absolutely calls for a short ester I'll stick with my longs.
Did a lot more in depth research on the tren and didn't realize it was used to promote lean muscle production in cattle right before the slaughter.. sheesh.
Anyway, If I DO decide to ever use the tren again, I will probably stick with a high testosterone e and low tren cycle like I did before, but not using a phenyl p. I think the ratio is around 500/wk for test e for first 1 -6 weeks, and then incorporate in the tren for last 6-12 at around 75-100/wk along with the 500/wk test.
Again, your info has help me understand a lot more. Thanks!
Many different ways of running it. Just give test a go. Then build off of that for later cycles.
IronMonkNeither stack sounds good...
Your post suggests you dont understand these compounds or cycle basics....
Eroiders can smell BS a mile away...
Maybe read a bit more and come back when your ready.
IronMonkX2 that mate...