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Using AI if you don't feel any High Strogen sides

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Hi, my pleasure to be here.
Do you think it is useful to use an aromatase inhibitor even if you don't feel any side effects from high oestrogen but your goal is to lower your fat percentage?
I am currently taking 500mg test-e weekly 200mg tren-a weekly and 50mg winstrol daily along with cardarine.
45 Years old and maybe in the 16-18% BF

Rustyhooker's picture

Blood test. Whats with all these 'feelie' types this week? Same name multi accts?

setevalaolla's picture

My main question is whether having possibly higher than normal estrogen levels could decrease the rate of fat loss compared to having low or normal levels.
I forgot, I am also taking primobolan 500mg weekly which some attribute to anti oestrogenic effects.
I always do a pre-cycle bloodwork to check everything is ok, but on cycle may be a problem for my health insurance.
Thanks for you feedback.

Makwa's picture

Your diet is what dictates fat loss.

setevalaolla's picture

Yeah obvious, I know, I'm following the RFL diet (Lyle McDonals PSMF) with a large caloric defficit and it's working great for me, 35lbs since Oct 1st, I was just curious if the higher estrogen would slow down the rate of fat loss.
Just to be safe, I'm going to decrease the weekly amount of test-e to 200mg, and with the 500mg prime 200 tren-a and winstrol would be more than enough to prevent fat loss and not aromatize.
Ah I'm also taking to work well in bed 12.5mg caber EOD and cialis 5-10mg for tren-a.

Diesel77's picture

500mg Test E, 500mg Primo, 200mg TrenA all per week. Plus 50mg Winny daily [email protected]% body fat ...with 12.5mg Caber EOD? That's A LOT of caber. Most I've ever heard anyone taking ever. Dialing back on the drugs and get your diet/cardio down to perfection. Lose more weight/bodyfat naturally THEN think about drugs again. You are under the impression drugs are the answer.....when you stop taking the drugs ..all your weight and fat will come back on. That's why I recommend get as lean as possible, then get back to drugs. That way, you will have much less aromatization to worry about. Diet and training dictate your results, not the number and amount of drugs you take. Also ...5-10mg Cialis for TrenA....what? Man you sound like a clueless sheep. If you don't like these true, honest answers ... You can always go back to Google/Reddit and see how that works out for you. Take care

setevalaolla's picture

My mistake, I take 0,25mg Caber 1/4 tab 1mg per tab EOD, and yes 5mg cialis daily and sometimes when I know Im going to fuck I take 10mg, 5mg daily helps with blood preasure while on cycle.
I weight myself everyday, I record every single meal in MyfitnessPal, I make 1h LISS everyday and go to the GYM 3 days a week A B A B A B split. The lower I have been is 8% and currently if I use the calipper it gives me 13,8% bodyfat, and Tannita gives me 20% so not sure my BF% but I can see now the first 4 of the six pack, I just have some fat around the navel and lower back.
Anyway I felt a bit attacked and I don't think I will ask any more questions in this forum.

Diesel77's picture

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but one day hopefully you will eventually get tired of this "yo-yo" effect of losing fat/weight with drugs, then coming off drugs and the fat/weight comes back , then off again then on again. The drugs are dictating you and your results. Shouldnt be that way, hence why I keep suggesting ...get as lean as possible without drugs, then after doing so...introduce the drugs. That way, when you stop the use of drugs, you will still be left with a lean, toned physique that you acquired through hard work.

The drugs work so much better overall with a lean physique, much less negative side effects to try and combat/mitigate. Right now youre trying to build a house on unsteady and shaky ground. You should be at your leanest and best shape naturally...BEFORE doing steroids...that's when the true magic happens. Solid ground....your "foundation". Then I hope you remember the exchange you had with a stranger online, and go " so that's what he was trying to tell me" all those years ago (face palm) Take care and I wish you well.

Makwa's picture

Shouldn't even be using steroids in the first place with bodyfat that high. Lose the weight first then cycle. You are doing it assbackwards.

setevalaolla's picture

I dont think that cycles are only for lean people, I understand not to make a bulking cycle starting at more that 13% for example, but why not cut using steroids if you have a decent amount of mucle mass? Whats the purpose of a cutting cycle then? What is the max BF% do you think someone should start from a cutting cycle?
Also when you have high BF% there is a tendency to have los testosterone levels which I think is an unfavourable situation for fat loss and the motivation needed to keep going.
But its just my opinion, Im not a doctor, I try to learn and improve every day.
I appreciate your comments.

Makwa's picture

When you have high bodyfat it is very easy to lose fat without losing muscle by just diet and training alone. Fat peels off easily when you are fat. Fat does not like to come off when you are lean. At that point you need to implement more extreme dieting measures and training that now have a likely consequence of stripping off lean body mass as well. For me, that is around 10%. No need for steroids to cut before that point since dieting works just fine without losing any muscle. No need to unnecessarily stress your body and deal with side effects for no reason.

Diesel77's picture

Blood work will definitively dictate whether or not A.I is necessary, but on cycle I would personally much rather be PRO-active as opposed to being RE-active. I would also take into consideration the specific compounds being administered and the amount when figuring in AI use, but again, blood work will truly dictate it's necessity and cancel out the "guessing game". Prolactin from 19-nors like tren/deca will also cause gyno and lactating nips on top of estrogen induced gyno from testosterone. Many variables and I would cover all my bases Otherwise, you are throwing darts in the dark, backwards with a blindfold over your eyes. Good luck

Makwa's picture

There are different stages of gyno. Just because you don't "feel" any side effects doesn't mean that gyno isn't forming. When you upset your natural androgen to estrogen balance that initiates the formation of gyno. Continue on that path and one day you wake up wondering why your tits are sticking out. Just because you don't feel it doesn't mean it isn't happening. You may not notice anything now since your BF is to high (which is another story). More fat = more aromatase = more estrogen. Gyno can really be much more noticeable once you lower body fat. Get bloodwork and use an AI if needed to keep your estro on the high side of normal. If you are foolish and not going to get bloodwork and use an AI then you should at least be using nolva since gyno will slowly show itself if estro levels are kept to high for to long. Plenty of guys on here with gyno now who didn't feel any high estro.

Living4ThePump's picture

No ! If you don’t feel any high E2 sides there is absolutely no need ! Also, if you should at some point, I highly advice cutting back on testosterone and add in a DHT derivative. This way you will still be able to run your total mg‘s without the E2 sides since DHT derivatives don’t aromatize and even lower E2.