posted Thu, 12/22/2022 - 13:02
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Test/Eq vs Test/Primo
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Goals are to put on nothing but lean, clean tissue with no fat and to run as little oil/have the most healthy/side free cycle possible. 5lbs would be ideal.
Diet will be clean (200/300 max surplus a day) and training 5 days a week.
I am torn on which cycle to do. I was leaning to EQ as is cheaper and has less oil per week, but more volume and has downsides like potential anxiety and blood thickening/needing to give blood.
I don’t mind paying for the primo if it will give me the same results as the test EQ with less Healy issues.
What would you go for and why?
Test 250mg (Week 1-14)
Primo 450mg (Week 1-14)
Var 75mg (Week 4-10)
Or
Test 250mg (Week 1-16)
EQ 600mg (Week 1-16)
Tbol or Var 75mg (Week 6-16)
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Rustyhookertheres clear posted rules about brands and sources in forums.
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GunShow22inPlease note this is by no means a full list of pros and cons. Just what I personally experienced when taking.
Primo= Pros- low side effects, quality gains. Aethetic look.
Cons= low anabolism, wont gain much muscle mass.
Very slow gains and only noticeable if very lean. Expensive
Eq=Pros- more anabolic, will build more mass. Increase in vascularity that is easily noticeable.
Cheap.
Cons- More sides- May cause anxiety in high doses, hamatocrit may increase to dangerous levels above 600 mgs weekly. Check Blood pressure frequently.
Apetite increase- Pro or Con depending on individual and goals.
Best of luck man and rememember every individual responds to chemicals differently. Trial and error. Be careful.
unfriendmeThank you for your advice bro, it's good to know all this information about the pros and cons.
If primo didn’t cause such horrible Pip for me it really would be the only compound I would run with test, some are Pip sensitive to primo even at 100mgs not to mention it’s a often fake.
nwk86Had pip with every other primo and finally found CENSORED and no PIP
Have you ran a primo at 100mg/ml? It's more pinning usually but pharma rimobolan comes 100mg/ml for a reason. More solvents are needed to make it hold higher concentrations.
I have, I can only manage to run at 400/500 mgs. I used to use more pinning sites but now I’m only able to use my delts. For some reason my quads have become really sensitive and I can’t pin glutes too well. Primo in my opinion is the best compound you can use.
Yeah the lower concentration really makes it a literal pain in the ass. The pharma amps really are the best IMO though, caster oil creates a really nice slow release. The standard protocol these days for pros is 1amp per day along with roughly a 1:1 with testosterone. I agree best anabolic.
Right. Im a fan of castor oil, but it's a pain to inject with 25g...takes longer than normal to push it out due to being such viscous solutions. You ever try TestUndec aka Nebido? Bayer also makes it 250mg/amp, but this past July sold it to Grunenthal. On paper it's great for TRT, but it's a LUMP after injecting like most castor oil solutions lol I've used it at 4ml every 12 weeks injects and worked well. My preferred ester for TRT at the moment and gives the muscles some time off from frequent pinning.
If I was one of those guys that can do it, I would do Ed Injections at 1 ml of Primo while running test at a trt dose. 20 weeks at Ed injections would be tough but I would absolutely do it if I could despite cost.
I did 1 amp mon-fri CENSORED primo and 2amps farmak testp 50mg/amp for 20 weeks my first run with primo..just those 2 compounds no orals....great results, but the 3cc/day inject, 5 days a week got old and I was relieved when over lol. Second time with primo was same 5 amps a week but only .5ml of CENSORED Sustanon for a 20 week run. Only 1.5ml injects Mon-friday....same great results and less oil was amazing in terms of injecting. But those Ukrainian CENSORED testP was potent and well worth the inconvenience of 50mg/ml
Wow, I wonder what your results were with that 20 week cycle.
Very memorable and my favorite cycle experience up to date. It didn't put on mass and add scale weight, but rather had me dry and polished. Striation central and had muscles poppin 24/7. Difficult to replicate that look unless on primo. Tren comes close, but not as memorable cause one struggles with negative sides.
Primo had me looking good and most importantly I felt REALLY good. No other compound compares to primo for that sole reason alone. With hard work in and out the gym, tren will have anyone look good, but miserable and feel like death. Primo is straight feel-good as you are aware of. Plus it can be ran at longer duration than most compounds without worrying/encountering negative sides.
I ran the CENSORED Primo 100mg amps earlier this year along with Testoblend 350 for ten weeks. 2.5 cc shots every MWF. I was also running HGH at 3iu per day. I feel like I saw some very good results, but just learned recently that I can only use short ester test, or I hold too much water. Wish I would have run it another ten weeks, but with test prop. When I went to reorder the Primo because I thought I was seeing good results, the source was out of stock, so I was screwed. I’m not a fan of UG Primo because it always gave me PIP. The CENSORED oil was thick as hell, but even pinning two cc’s along with the .5 cc of Testoblend didn’t cause any PIP. I only pinned glutes because I can’t handle more than one cc of anything anywhere else
I agree 100%. I can’t stress enough how good I felt using primo but can’t use due to lack of injection sites. Primo is by far the best compound and to me it isn’t close.
GunShow22inGood point my man. People who review primo you often wonder if they are just giving a review of what they only thought was primo and was actually something else. Kinda like all the peple reviewing var that are actually giving their experience on winny but didnt know it was winstrol.
Facts. Hence why I only trust pharmaceutical grade or a good UGL with years of good reputation for pumping out quality products. Just gotta do some leg work and find a good quality UGL and once you do, stick with them until a reason is given not to.
When I used rimobolan by CENSORED, it was by far the best cycle I ever ran. 12 pounds of lean muscle that I mostly kept and had a very easy pct without mood swings. I wish I pushed it to 20/24 weeks because the positive effects just kept coming
. I did however got tired of oil volume because I don’t use many sites so I don’t usually yse short esters.
GunShow22inThat sounds amazing. Long term gains is what I want these days. Dont want to inflate only to deflate a few weeks after stopping.
Search for CENSORED rimobolans but if you can handle primo at high mg, that’s the cycle to run. You just have to find a reliable source that Carries the items featuring minimal. DHB is another good compound but I wouldn’t even try it because like I said, Pip sensitive. I’m sure you’ll find success whatever you choose.
GunShow22inThanks man. Will do.
I've never ran primo, but I just tried EQ for the first time this year. Im on week 17 at 800mg a week, and I am in the best shape of my life physically and mentally. The first 2 weeks you don't feel anything obviously. week 3-4 your body slowly starts to adjust to the compound, and yes the anxiety does kick in for about weeks 3-5. So weeks 3-5 you feel like stopping because of the anxiety, but thats exactly when you start feeling the endurance in the gym. This alone kept me on it, because I have never been able to train the way I do the way I am on EQ. You can literally train like a football player/crossfit athlete when it comes to endurance. I mean you can max out, and take about 30 seconds to a minute and then do it all over again. The anxiety completely goes away by week 7, and by weeks 8+ you feel the compound fully. The endurance, leanness and appetite increase is amazing. My appetite slightly increased to maybe eating one more meal a day, nothing drastic like binge eating. I run my test c at 300mg a week, EQ 800mg a week. No orals, I think im done with orals, its not for me anymore. The longer you stay on EQ the better and better your body and fitness levels keep getting. I have no blood pressure issues, or high blood cell count. I get my bloods done every 3 months. again each person is different, so no matter what compound you choose, you should do bloods before, after, and on cycle. The biggest take away, is the motivation, and excitement to go lift everyday because EQ just allows you to keep going. Thats what i was lacking in my workouts is how long and hard I was able to push, EQ with a clean diet is gold for me.
RustyhookerCheck his stats....
RustyhookerGain 5 lbs? 300mg test...50mg var last 6 weeks. Your cycles posted are big enough for massive changes if all is on point. 5lbs though...jeezes....
I would say the 1st compounds. I’m not really a fan of EQ. Some guys love it. Primo is arguably closest to perfect a steroid you can find. Gains will be slower than many other compounds but you will have gains that you will keep. Test as we all know should be added to most of not all cycles. Anavar is great for getting that visual effect. Trip down some fat and look nice and lean. Maybe go to 100 mg a week. 25 eod or get some lady Var and take 10mg in the AM and 10mg in the PM to keep the levels in your bloodstream. I think you may really like making a cycling including NPP. It’s a really nice steroid. The results are excellent. Go check the forums and use the search and you will find an abundance of cycle recommendations and critiques. Be safe! Make sure you have everything you need before you start. From pins and gear all the way down to alcohol to clean injection site.
I will have to agree on test/primo over test/EQ. Nothing against EQ, but primo leaves it in the dust. Legitimate, quality primo is unparalleled and destroys EQ in all aspects. Most tend to stay away from it due to cost which is unfortunate. They don't know what they are missing. Perfect compound with no negative sides. With EQ comes anxiety, high blood pressure and having to donate blood. Primo is slow steady gains, but it stays. Primo over EQ without a doubt.
unfriendme100% with this, I would go all day with Primo, even If I had great experiences with Boldenone in the past
I second this. My best look came from a Test/Primo cycle about a year ago. I think I had some Masteron and GH in the mix as well, but the effects of the primo were very noticable.
For the OP: I have never ran EQ, but even If i had, I'm almost certain id choose primo every single time.
Facts. The best look, the best feeling, the best overall cycle period. Test,Primo, Mast alone is a hell of a concoction....then throw in GH....bro nothing is touching that. In a class of it's own....no oral steroids needed either. Straight hitters...no fillers....
Diesel I never used Mast but I know it’s excellent. You forgot to add that your bf% needs to be pretty good to see the full potential of Mast. I know you know that but forgot that important point. I know you know your shit. If his bf is solid then you gave him a great recipe. I want to get down to about 8 or 9% the give Mast a run. What dosage of mast do you recommend?
True, however goal dependent. If youre a bodybuilder, it's standard rule to get as lean as possible before running gear, it will make for a much productive cycle and lessen estrogen related sides that arises from having high body fat. BUT even with body fat a bit high, it will still bring desireable effects like alpha feeling and overall well being, plus enhance libido and will increase free testosterone. It will keep you dry and hard. This is legit, quality mastP I speak of. Make sure you trust your chef/lab/brand and certain it is quality compounds you are obtaining.
I am a big fan and a little goes a long way. 50mg mastProp EOD is a good starting point and increase as necessary, again, goal dependent and bodybuilders use more especially during prep to dry out and get the look. It's a DHT derivative and if youre prone to male pattern baldness...be aware. Also enlarges prostate when used in high doses. I'm fortunate enough to not experience the neg sides, going as high as 150mg EOD for few weeks. Not a fan of the enanthate ester...mastP only, but to each his own. At the end of the day, whatever and whichever works for you is best. Good luck bro
Good shit thanks D
I would only suggest more primo over mast and GH to make it cost effective but primo is one of those compounds, the more volume and longer duration features increased benefits. Not disagreeing but rather a preference for more primo over mast.
True, but let's say for instance $ is not an issue and one wishes to add a compound along the test/primo/GH cycle they are running....mast is a perfect addition IMO in regards to synergy and less desireable effects if goal is to look like a lean mean muscular well oiled and functioning machine. Totally understand your point and not disagreeing either, it's all up to preference,budget and availability of legit quality compounds.
Does one always experience hair loss on a masteron cycle or does it depend on genetics because that’s the one factor on why I haven’t used masteron yet for that very reason. I’m not one of those guys that would look good bald.
I haven't experienced the hair loss sides at all, not even any shedding when I upped the dose for few weeks during summer runs. In my opinion if you're prone to male pattern baldness then it affects you more. Had a buddy who is balding in the front of head but not in the crown, and took mast, small dose 50mg EOD and experienced hair shedding and extreme thinning within 3 weeks use. It was very noticeable, but returned to normal when Masteron was taken out the equation.
Brings me to conclusion that is different for everyone as with all compounds. Plenty of bodybuilders who used mast pre contest and still have great hair...I.E ....Jay Cutler, Jeremy Buendia, CBum, Hadi Choopan, Derek Lunsford. Mind you they might use finasteride to combat hair loss while running high mast dosage, especially during contest prep.
Good genetics Diesel
Yup I ran it for 16 weeks and it was amazing. Also ran IGF-1 LR3 for 40days with it as well. Definitely my favorite cycle I've ever ran. Come to think of it, I think that will be my next blast. Whats crazy is that while on that cycle, 400test/600mast/600primo, I got my wife pregnant after having tried for almost 4 years and doing all this hcg Fertility therapy for 18 months and feeling like absolute dog shit the entire time. To this day, I swear GH was the missing link to my Fertility problems. I don't have studies to back that up, but like i said im absolutely convinced that hgh helped me father my son.
Might be the GH, or the combo of GH and mast as we know mast has great effects in the bedroom as well lol congrats on the little one brother and wish you all well/happy holidays
Chuck 600mg of Primo! Brother you must be rolling in Benjamin’s. I wish I had that kind of $ to run it like that. 18 months wow. Congratulations on the son.
The dollars definitely add up especially when you consider all the other compounds and ancillaries involved in running a cycle. Highest I've done is 5 amps a week, 500mg of legit bayer rimos along with 500mg legit farmak testprop. Talk about oil volume...lol the Farmak prop was dosed at 50mg/amps and rimo at 100mg/amp...3cc/day mon-friday.
Drop in blood when skipped sat/sun with prop I know, but earlier cycling that was my mistake. In the grand scheme of things it didn't make much difference.
Then again the next run was Karachi Organon sustanon250 with Bayer rimo. .5ml Sust/1mlprimo...mon-fri. I learned how to rotate sites and Inject traps, pecs, lats early. On top of the usual glutes/delts lol. Amazing results though. I remember those early days when all I ran was human grade pharma compounds, but you had to have a trusted source and be weary of fakes/counterfeits. Tons of UGL nowadays, but I trust only a handful with exotics like quality tren and basic compounds. I prefer the overseas "pharma" that aren't necessarily "pharma" in the US, but is in that specific region of the world.
Yeah that’s a lot of oil. I have about 50 Aspen Sus amps. That stuff I excellent. I want to get some GH to use along with the Aspen. 2 amps per week maybe 3 and I should be good.
Aspen is quality Sust, but my personal pharmaceutical grade go to sust is Organon Sustanon. Have some in stash, straight from Karachi and are for dreaded "rainy day" apocalypse style lol. I also love BP Sust, and BP/SP products of all kinds. Check my gear pics for preview of part stock Im currently hoarding.
Nice fucking stash. ZPHC makes some good juice as well. Hard to beat Organon. I got the Aspens for 5$ an amp so I couldn’t pass that up. At that price you can’t go wrong.
$5/amp is hard to beat and is absolutely a great deal. Seen few sources sell them for $10-$15/amp nowadays. I had an UNCLE in poland that used to help me out with pharma grade compounds of all kinds for as little as $2/amp for 100 amps or more. Good old days lol
That’s it absolutely absurd 2$. We would look like Sasquatch lol. I used to love Omnadren back in the day. They were very potent or maybe it’s becymy receptors were virgin.
Very potent indeed..I agree man....Omnadren aka polish Sustanon lol same ester breakdown same exact thing just different name. Omnadren was a hitter too...and yes those were the good old days cheap and available. Not so good now though especially with ordering international. I much prefer ordering domestic to bypass custom seizures.
unfriendmeWhat is your recommendation if I can ask as for a Domestic Source
You can’t do that. It’s against the board rule. Any of the top 10 are good to go. Check their beards and see what members are saying.