Next cycle trying to remove some old gyno
So I did a cycle some years ago, basic beginners test enth dbol. I think likely the test and maybe the PCT I got was bunk because I had massive loss of energy after the dbol, and still developed gyno. However, this could be because the gap between the dbol and the PCT was long rather than the PCT being bunk.
This was like 15 years ago now when sourcing in my country was very difficult and I just had to trust people. Now that's changed and it's a lot easier to verify results and find good sources.
I want my next cycle to be quite basic, probably something similar to test dbol (since I feel cheated off the first one, and honestly I don't need a huge cycle, personally). But I want to try and incorporate some possible elements to try and reduce the gyno I got in the previous cycle while on-cycle.
So I was thinking of incorporating both DHT and nolva into my cycle. I was thinking rolaxfine as well, potentially, but this may be harder to source. But I think doing DHT while on a test cycle is a good combo, and the nolva is just a good part of the PCT.
So cycle would be
dbol + test
DHT during
Nolva as part of regular PCT
So my questions are, are there any concerns I should have on this? I've read DHT drops igf significantly. I've read that the test should be good for balancing the dht, and I think nolva would work fine in the PCT. As you can tell I am not as familiar with chems as most of you so looking to get some help. Any insight is appreciated. I am doing my own research, but without a good background to understand the wider endocrine system it can still seem fruitless.
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Here’s a valid question? Do you have hard, painful lumps at the end of your nipples, or do you just have pointy tits??? If you have hard painful lumps, that’s real gyno. If you’ve got pointy tits, that just years of lowT, bad diet, and laziness. I know first hand. I’ve had the pointy tits and I’ve had the painful lumps. The pointy tits went away with hard work and diet, but the hard lumps need to be stopped in their tracks with Adex or another substance, otherwise, they’re there for life unless you get the surgery. One of my boys let it go back 30 years ago when Nolvadex was the only thing we knew about, but hard to find without a prescription. Well, his gyno was fucking horrible. He was 6” 3”, 235, 20” biceps, and two tits that looked like Chinese Shrimp Toast. I was actually embarrassed to be on the beach with him because the whole beach was staring all day long. Meanwhile, he was a beast and a 2nd degree black belt so a few big mouths got shut hard on the Jersey shore. Yup, as see on TV, long before those kids were around. Back in the Surf Club Temptations days. Damn, I’m getting old.
Sounds like a good time. Well they're hard but not sensitive. It's definitely not fat but it's never been something that's painful just embarrassing. I've considered surgery but I would prefer to remove chemically first if I can. But I know this is harder if it's non pubertal so I've tempered expectations.
6 mos. Ralox is only. 60mg ED
OK will look into it. Sourcing is hard is all
It has gotten a little better. UncleY is a member that may be able to help you. It's the only protocol that worked for me to get things back to where they were before I ever even cycled. It's a long time to be without gear, and also stay consistent with dosing. But it worked
Some dht cream on the area "might" help speed the process
Only concern is it's non-pubertal, whereas most people want to get rid of pubertal gyno. So not sure how that's going to effect it but willing to try it anyway.
I would be worried about the gyno getting worse or flaring up on a test/d-bol cycle since you say you already have it. Have you looked into Letrozole, it can have positive benifits in some cases of people sensative with gyno,.
No but I will thanks for the recommendation. Dbol was just a placeholder. Literally open to any ideas that make sense given my situation if they're efficacious
It's trending now, run with it. Pick a new pronoun.
Are you implying you need breasts to be a woman. Sounds super transohobic to me.
Absolutely not, if you want to be trans without your breasts; carry on.
please.
Do bloodwork before adding hormones
Add hormone at set rate.
Do bloodwork with incorporated hormones.
Asses and adjust medications as needed.
This isn't complicated.
You should focus on getting rid of your gyno before starting a cycle. Once you start adding in hormones it's gonna be harder to get rid of your gyno(especially dbol) that's an estrogen bomb. Takes some raloxifene before even starting a cycle to get rid of the gyno. Ralox is the best thing for gyno.
Best advice^^ you guys keep beating me to the punch lately lol
If he is going to go on cycle, which in some cases the androgens or dht's might help speed up the process to get rid of it, I agree I would start the ralox two weeks to a month before beginning cycle
And ralox would be fin on cycle with dht and test? No contraindications or doubling up of issues? Also one thing, everyone keps saying no to dbol, but what would I use to kickstart a cycle? Or do people not do that anymore?
It's just hard for me to get. Can you take it by itself without issues?
Ralox is the thing with the least side effects out of all serms. Yes you can take it.by itsself.
Seems to me that cycle years ago was your first,
And should of been a test only cycle with an a.i to see how your body converts estrogen, and to see how much a.i to run during a cycle to keep all that at bay,
The pct is just as important as the weekly a.i during the cycle, @simonmagus84 is right. It be better to get them removed, especially if you don't know your body good enough to know what to run and when to run when the side effects arise,
But. Being sensitive, dbol would be a nono,
Superdrol would be the only oral I would suggest for a kicker, but it's high toxic, and only if you have done a few cycles of test,
Gotta get to know your body brother,the first 2 cycles are most pivotal
Just get the surgery. It’s the only truly effective way to get rid of it. Remove the entire gland.
If you get the gland removed, do you never have to worry about getting gyno again?
In most cases yes but I’m not going to lie, when I run test doses higher I do feel it in my left side. You have to make sure they remove literally everything. Watch DR lebowicz on YouTube, he explains it very well. I had too much tissue to remove so he couldn’t really remove all of it but it still looks great compared to what it used to look like. I had Gyno from childhood obesity and had it removed when I started training in late 2022. Most of you guys probably don’t have much to remove so they can isolate the gland better.
Oh wow, thanks for sharing. I feel very fortunate that this hasn’t been an issue for me yet but it’s one of those thinks that lurks in the back of my mind every cycle.
Yeah, no matter if I was in single digit BF% there was nothing I can do. I had to get it done because I didn’t want it effecting my future cycles and now I’m able to run whatever I want being able to manage it. I’m estro sensitive so I can’t run compounds high anyway but I really don’t have to because I get great results from low doses. It all works out in the end.
Honestly I will probably never do GH unless there is some real need to. I don't see the point otherwise. I guess DHT lowers IGF and iirc GH increases it, so maybe there is some benefit therein.
I am considering this if a less invasive and expensive option won't work. But I don't see the point going to level 100 when something simpler might work, and I can try both if the first one fails anyway.
Yeah, there are ways to possibly shrink it but it never goes away completely.
That's disappointing to hear but it makes sense. I guss surgery is really only that fool-proof alterntive, but you're still relying on having a good surgeon. Also since scars are weaker than normal tissue, psychologically it pus me off any surgery I don't absolutely need.
Take GH and purchase some oils to help that. I have dark olive skin so it’s not really visible and I heal very well.
RealizeRealLiesAnd you wanna add DBOL. Nooo
As I said, I'm not an expert. So if you have any suggestions for the cycle then feel free to contribute them. Dbol is just a placeholder for whatever I take at the start of the cycle before the test kicks in, if that conventional wisdom still applies.
Stick around and learn as much as you can. A lot of cool guys on here with great advice. I can’t even explain how much I’ve learned from these guys over the years, but I learned the most once I realized who to listen to. You’ll be ok
True. Thanks. I made this thread to hopefully get schooled by old chem heads who know their stuff. I'd love to do more research and get the foundations myself but just strapped for time. I only want to do one more cycle tbh because it's not that important to me to be as juicy as humanly possible, so I want to get it dialed in and yeah I guess I just need to weed out the good advice firm the bad.