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+ 1 Injectable Stack for Test E Cycle for Dry Gains

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Looking for some other compound to stack to a 500mg Test E/week cycle.

I have done Tren in the past and even though I loved it, I do not want those side effects again.
I know there is a lot of information out there but I can’t seem to draw a clear picture - not being lazy.

Desired:
- No orals (liver damage)
- Something dry that would hopefully help combat the water weight from the Test? (AI in use of course)
- Worthy enough to add but on a safer side (Keeping sides not overly complicated)

  • Tren made my hair thin for a couple years, which Test never does (MPB not really present in my family).
    I would like to prevent that from happening again (I know about Finasteride)

Any recommendations?

Thanks so much for any help!

JFit253's picture

You will not like this answer but its good advice...

You do not need to stack anything. Keep doing Test only cycles and focus on your food. You do not weigh a lot for your height so I assume food is a main concern. Food choices also influence the water weight you experience.

Overall, find foods that work well with your body and you will find that you can gain lean mass on Test only.

papa.smurf0311's picture

I like NPP. I can put on Mass and still remain pretty lean and dry. Its really up to your diet though. Growth will help keep the fat off. Allot of guys seek different AAS's for gains but just remember that 90% of your gains are made in the kitchen. If you want to stay away from MPB then DHT's you wouldnt want to use.

FlemDaddyKush's picture

Possibly try some npp

SimonM84's picture

Depends on Diet and goals. It’s an amplifier of whatever your intent for the cycle is.

SimonM84's picture

Injectables don’t help combat water weight from test, unless you’re using masteron at sub 10% bf, meal plan certainly dictates that. Also, Depending on your Bf at the beginning of the cycle would determine if you’re prone to water weight. When I’ve started at low bf 10% or lower, most of the gains that came were dry if diet was in check.

If you’ve hit your physical limit in terms of training and maximizing your gains naturally through calories then I would consider Primo or Eq. I’ve used primo with a low dose of test over the course of 20 weeks which yielded 10 or 11 pounds of lean muscle which I kept most after pct. Yes, expensive compound but well worth it considering virtually no sides and a beautiful soft landing recovery. Test was kept around 300 mgs, primo 500 (Bayer).

Eq and bold Cyp are other ones to consider. Eq gains are very slow and pure quality. I made the mistake of running 1gram a week while running low test and ended up crashing my estro while not running an AI. Eq is a little tricky because it doesn’t present some sides like anxiety, head aches and of course with increased red cell production, you’ll want to either run blood work multiple times or donate blood. Rusty has excellent forum posts on most compounds.

Also, just a reminder Some of my best cycles were test only cycles with either Anavar or proviron. Prop is an option in terms of cutting but again that’s after you’ve made the most of your opportunities through natural bulks. If you’re not a fan of a multiple pinning week protocol then just stick with the long esters. Anavar and proviron aren’t as toxic as other orals which Present harsh sides. I’ve always ran test at a lower dose (350 mg max) while letting other compounds do the work or at that dose, just used it as a booster for easy recovery. Everything depends on Experience, goals and personal preference.

Guys like Makwa, Rusty ifit and others have great forums on related topics.

SimonM84's picture

Statements like this made me include proviron in every cycle as well. It really does optimize test regardless of ester and that sense of well being is unique. This is another reason why I run test at a low dose because I truly get everything I need from 400 mgs running proviron along side of it. Clean dry gains, (8lbs clean) lean muscle tissue, smooth Pct and then on to the next cycle. Everyone’s goals are different but I truly believe if you want virtually no sides, minimal cost and keep most gains, that’s the way to go.

To invoke the old guru Viking, he claimed the best cycle he ever ran was to pin Sust ED. Obviously I would take this approach while not exceeding 500 mgs considering all of the technique people use to increase injection proticol. That’s another cycle to think about.

aimoon's picture

Few things for me here to look at, thanks very much mate.

To be fair my trauma with excessive water retention I suspect was due to Estrogen rebound on PCT.
I didn’t know about this with Adex, on Aromasin now.

SimonM84's picture

Did you use Nolva on that PCT? Yeah that’s typical with Adex which is why many tend to stick with aromasin. I completely botched a pct from a 19nor cycle because letro and Caber were needed for this preexisting issue and I completely miscalculated. It was also right into Covid era. I ended up getting Gyno surgery removing glands and everything. I hear you on the trauma but if diets in check along with AI/Pct protocol you should be fine. Research those who’ve had success running low test also.

aimoon's picture

I think Clomid, can’t remember very well.
Another thing that probably didn’t help was the massive hcG shots with no AI present. I use hcG whilst on cycle only now and not for PCT.

Fuck man I feel for that, I did end up with some small lumps. They said it was a cosmetic issue so paid surgery. But went by itself some months later thankfully.

I’m doing frequent bloods this one thats for sure.
Thanks for all

SimonM84's picture

Yeah, the absence of nolva was your downfall there. You have to have everything in order prior to running a cycle and I’m sure you know that now. I know this might offend people but this is also the reason why I only run Pharma pct products. Even though it is unlikely, I just can’t risk bunk UGL PCT items. It’s happened to me twice already.

aimoon's picture

28 yo
1.81 m
86kg
12% BF

Never been a fan of the bulk and cut although I know its more productive. I’ve trained for a decade though with a couple of off periods.

So gains without putting too much fat or if possible whilst getting a bit leaner would be the dream and general increased energy for life you know.

Many thanks!
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aimoon's picture

Thanks man, masteron sounds amazing, but I guess the payoff will be the hair thinning issue like with Tren right?

DeeMan's picture

Yea a shampoo that blocks Dht at hair follicle.. Saw Palmetto extract to block Dht in prostate and to sooth prostate.

Makwa's picture

Hair thinning and a mad prostate.

SimonM84's picture

I’m ready to say fuck it and just run masteron with hair plugs for PCT.