Help Gyno
Hi guys, it's a pleasure. I wanted to know if you can help me with a small problem, I read a few posts and I see that there is a lot of help between users... I come from an 8 week cycle, 2ml of Test P and NPP (I edited, I had written Deca, but I was wrong) per week, towards the end of the cycle I felt my nipples go in a direction that we all know.
I didn t have pct on hand due to problems with shipments, so between placing the order, the various delays I started the Nolva almost a month later (currently I am in the second week of Nolva, first week 20mg/day and today is the last day of the second week at 40mg/day)... I had pain, swelling and hard glands in both nipples.The right one (which hurt me less from the beginning) I have recovered and is fine, I no longer have pain, neither glands nor swelling, the one on the left instead still feels hard glands (sometimes they "expand" and seem to disappear both to the touch and pain) and pain to the touch.
I'm sorry to have written all this, but I tried to explain the situation as best I can, so that you can understand, I'm new to the site, I apologize if I got the wrong place to publish it
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Nolva blocks nipples. Ai reduces estrogen. Estrogen raises prolactin.
300mg b6 daily can lower prolactin. But wheres your ai or bloods to show e2 levels?
Another mistake following the wrong people, no blood tests, I have to do them this week, thanks for the advice bro
Sternohttps://www.privatemdlabs.com/?refid=znuqndpLrP4P
This is the Lab I’ve used and many others : inexpensive ; through ; easy to navigate ; POP ( no insurance $ ) *No doctors visit ; sign up ; pick your preferred lane test , and draw bloods ; followed by brief wait for results !
And fully private! Wont risk loss of health insurances.
Lol! Not to kick this dead horse, but it discourages people from seeking medical intervention when needed. You WON'T lose your health insurance, you WON'T be unable to renew your policy, and your premiums WON'T increase. You're protected from all that under the ACA.
Anastrozole, take it and it will go away. I only take it when I feel symptoms getting high once or twice a week while on Test. Blood work will confirm if you estrogen is high you can order it on quest diagnostics website, no doctor order needed.
And this is what happens when you have no idea what you're doing. Go see your doctor at this point before you make matter worse. Blood work is the most important thing to do now.
Unfortunately I was followed and advised by a person close to me, who has been using it for years, now that I have entered more into this world and I am discovering and learning many things, I realized that in reality he does not .. He doesn't really understand anything about it... What can I say, by making mistakes you learn, I will surely know how to move next time
SternoYou’ve owned up to your mistakes . More of us here have been in your situation than we’d like to admit.
I posted above; great resource ( link ) for your bloods to be drawn , this is priority RN !
Yes I read, you were very kind, but the point is that I live in a country in Europe and that link does not work for me...
We do all make mistakes and I'm not going to rub your nose in it because it seems like you already acknowledge it. You'll learn there are plenty of people who run gear who preach "bro science" or have no idea what they're doing. As others have mentioned though, you can really mess yourself up if you go into this blind. Please educate yourself the best to your ability. None of us want you, nor anyone else to get hurt. Hopefully, you're gyno hasn't progressed too bad. Drask gave some solid advice. First thing you need to do is labs. Sounds like you already discontinued the gear.
Exactly, unfortunately I learned them at my expense, but it's right I need a lesson,Now yes I have stopped using products except Nolva, for now it hurts, but I hope it will pass soon by taking the right steps, thank you very much
Thats good brother, be careful. Messing with hormones is no joke. I hope you get that gyno sorted out soon.
I hope so too, Thank you so much brother
Test and Deca (at higher dosages) is a recipe for high estrogen. You need to run an AI. Regular bloodwork is key.
We need more information here. Are you running test/deca 1:1 as in 500mg each per week?
I made a mistake in writing sorry, 2ml/Week of Test p 100
NPP
I quit almost 1 month ago
All good brother. Everyone is here to help. So test p 100 is 100mg per ml. So you're at 200 mg per week of test. What is the strength of the npp?
Thank you very much
NPP 100mg/ml... 200mg/week
What is 2ml of deca and test?! That can be one of 1,000,000 combinations of doses. Are you that guy @Jbjb6969
I made a mistake in writing, but it still doesn't change the fact, You're right ... I was ignorant when I started and this is what happens, I'll be ready for next time!!! What do you recommend now?
Zinc and Vitamin B6 if you dont have caber for the deca prolactin. Nolva should be doing the best it can to prevent estro from attaching to the nipples. And are you getting real bitch tits or you over panicking because nipples are sore. Just a little soreness and small olive dont mean its going to be permanent and you could be ok. Sometimes my nipples still get sore and hard but nothing comes of it when cycle is over. Just means the Test is real
So I state that I am very learned, but they are sore and hard, touching them I feel that there are glands behind, like small nodules, but no liquid or anything like that comes out, reading your comment you reassured me a little, thank you very much
One last thing, after I order the Caber, what doses should I take and for how long? And how long do your nipples stay sore and hard
Without labs impossible to tell, but nandrolone (deca) probably caused a prolactin issue. This is usually solved with cabergoline.
There are many problems with your stated issues though. Firstly you don’t say the dose. You’re talking in volume of oil, but without the concentration (mg/ml) we have no idea how much of each substance you’re taking. The mg amount is the important part.
Secondly you’re taking nandrolone with a crazy long ester decanoate (why it’s called deca) for an 8 week cycle. If you wanted to do nandrolone on an 8 week cycle you should use npp (nandrolone phenyl propionate) which has a much shorter ester and will kick in and leave your system more quickly.
Finally planning to pct and not having it on hand is bad planning and just immensely stupid. Sorry I don’t mean to name call, but it’s just plain dumb.
All the information to run a “safe” and effective cycle is out there and readily available to you. Don’t be a stereotypical airhead gym bro and use your head. This shit is dangerous and you can fuck yourself up very easily if you just do whatever you please.
Nolva can fix gyno, but it’s not a guaranteed thing. Only time will tell. Hopefully your gyno goes away, but in the future you need to use your brain dude.
Sorry, I made a mistake in writing, in fact I corrected, I was taking (I stopped almost a month ago) 2ml/Week of
Test P (100mg/ml)
NPP (100mg/ml)
Well it’s better you used npp. 2ml of each or 2ml total? I assume each since 100mg of prop/week is not a cycle. Even 200mg is very light in terms of cycling. I highly doubt you had any e2 related gyno issues on that dose unless you’re like very overweight.
If you’re going to do nandrolone you should keep cabergoline on hand for prolactin issues.
Exactly
2ml/Week (200mg/week) of TEST P 100mg/ml
2ml/week (200mg/week) of NPP 100mg/ml
I'm actually not overweight, as far as Caber is concerned, at what doses do you recommend it and for how long
Caber has its own side effects as well. If you’ve had issues you should get bloodwork done and see where your issue really is pronounced.
Since you’ve stated you stopped the npp a month ago your prolactin is probably already back to normal. Fixing your prolactin only prevents more gyno. It won’t really reverse the effects.
Nolva which you’re already taking is probably your best bet. I wish you luck.
You were very helpful, thank you very much
Deca?? 8 week cycle?? What kind of test are you running? Not to be rude, but sounds like you didn't do much research, nor ask many questions before committing. There is a lot to address here, but as far as gyno goes...
Can I assume this is your first cycle? It is recommended to run test only your first go around to learn how your body responds to the individual compound. Moreover, it is also recommended that you don't start a cycle until you have ALL OF WHAT YOU NEED. The includes cycle support/ancillaries & PCT.
Without lab values it is hard to target exactly what the problem is. SERMs may not be enough in your case to counter the anti-estrogenic effects your seeking. This is where AIs come in (Aromasin, Arimidex, Letrozole, etc.). I'm guessing you don't have any on hand?
With 19-nor compounds like deca and tren you can encounter imbalances of estrogen and progesterone which leads to gyno. Your could be battling a build-up of prolactin. I'm guessing you don't have caber on hand either?
My recommendation would be STOP your cycle! Follow your PCT protocol, get your cycle support/ancillaries ASAP, educate yourself in the meantime through research/questions (start by looking up the half-life and potential side effects of Deca), and get some baseline labs.
Don't jump into this half-assed!
You need caber or promi bud for prolactin