+ 39 HCG What is it and When to Use It
HCG and When to Use It
A lot of cycles recently have HCG in them and I think that we must understand exactly what the purpose of HCG is and how to properly use it on cycle and PCT. HCG is only used on long cycles or extremely high dosed cycles. Not on a Test only cycle lasting 12 weeks or stacking with another low dosed compound. 12 or more weeks and heavy dosages warrant the use of HCG. Let’s look at why….
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a hormone produced during pregnancy that is made by the developing placenta after conception, and later by the placental component syncytiotrophoblast. Some cancerous tumors produce this hormone; therefore, elevated levels measured when the patient is not pregnant can lead to a cancer diagnosis. However, it is not known whether this production is a contributing cause or an effect of tumorigenesis. The pituitary analogue of hCG, known as luteinizing hormone (LH), is produced in the pituitary gland of males and females of all ages.
HCG is clinically used to induce ovulation and treat ovarian disorders in women, as well stimulate the testes hypogonadal (underproduction of testosterone) men. It is also used in the treatment of undescended testicles in young males called hypogonadism. HCG in males is similar to LH, because they are similar and LH binds to receptors on Leydig cells stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone, the use of HCG is an added bonus to steroid users even if there is a lack of endogenous LH. Since HCG increases the body’s natural testosterone levels, its use during long or extremely high dosed cycles can be most beneficial were the effects on the hypothalamus causes a depressed signal to the testicles. The result of the depressed signal leads to what is known as testicular atrophy (shrunken nuts). The use of HCG will send an artificial signal to the testes (again, as if it were actually LH), thus preventing (to some degree) atrophy. It not only helps to maintain testicular size and condition but it will also help in restoring testicles back to their original size. Restarting natural testosterone production as quickly as possible is extremely important in regulating our hormones back to its normal balanced level.
Now how to dose it….
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day cause too much estrogen aromatase activity. There is a theoretical belief that aromatase is actually toxic the Leydig cells of testes. Understand you are inducing primary hypogonadism (permanent) and treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (temporary).
250IU or 500IU on two days each week while on cycle is the usual dose to combat testicular atrophy, if it isn’t enough then use it more days each week at the same dosage rather than raising it because of the aromatase activity involved with doses over 500IU. Usually you start the HCG 2 weeks after you start your cycle and you can start it at the mid-point of your cycle until you finish. I always say let your body be the judge. You know your jewels better than anyone. If there is significant shrinkage compared to your usual, then its obvious.
At the end of the cycle after one week you can stop and the next week start you PCT
If you decide to use HCG in your PCT it is the same dosage of 250IU or 500IU for 10 – 14 days and stop. The testosterone production it induces will cause issues with recovery because it will continue to suppress the Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis (HPTA). This is where the standard PCT picks up and finishes the job making your cycle successful and complete.
Dosages for mixing:
Bacteriostatic Water for dilution is used.
5000IU/10ML mixed HCG is dosed as so below. Same thing if it’s a 10000IU/20ml mixed vial
250IU is 0.5cc in the syringe (50 units in a insulin syringe)
500IU is 1cc in the syringe (100units in a insulin syringe)
My goal is to educate the community so that we have abetter understanding of what things are and how they benefit. As always its your forum so you input is always welcome. Thanks for reading
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Romano735Hello, how do you proceed when you blast and cruise and you want a baby with your wife. Is it possible ? In use hcg 2 or 3 day by week with 250 or 500ui ?
What do you think about it ?
RustyhookerTheres quite a few forums on getting wife preggo when on trt. I think a few are in the trt forums. Shows folks protocols that worked
Romano735Yeah, I will show it, thx
I am wagering my options on going on cruise or PCT with Clomid and Nolva after I finish this cycle.
I will be on 12weeks total of test cycle, whats your thoughts regarding HcG for restoring testies and fertility boost..
Thumbs Down.
Heavily plagiarised (stolen) and smothered with opinion disguised as protocol
This absolutely should not be taken as a 'how to' guide.
AnonHooah!
PREACH AGAINST THE FALSE GODS!
I'm seeing a fertility specialist and he has me on 1000iu eod plus clomid 50mg 5 on 2 off.Maybe I'm a special case but bloodwork doesn't show any significant rise in estrogen thus far.At least nothing that makes my fertility doctor to want me on an AI.Of course there is the possibility that my doctor is an idiot,but here they call him the baby maker,so we'll see.
RustyhookerFertility doctors are sharp, no doubt. You can ask him your e2 numbers. Hcg is known to raise estro but everyone can react differently. Just because the blood test shows 42 as the upper end of 'normal' , you might be physically fine at 60.
Yeah I'm listening for now.Wife wants a baby now after six years of blasting and cruising.It may be a fools errand but hoping for the best.I never used hcg on cycle so testicles were small but still big enough the doc thought we could work.After 10,000 iu nice and plump.Its the sperm I'm worried about though.Will get that checked at the end of august.If all goes well Ill be back jacked by Christmas.Lol
RustyhookerTake a search for carlos danger. He found success and posted a lot of great info. Hcg, hmg, clomid.... apparently thetes many routes. Good luck bro!!
Yes you turned me on to that a few weeks beck.Very good info! Thank You brother
RustyhookerSnaps.... im getting oldtimers disease.... lol
Nah the forum is kinda zen.You know in the moment.It lends one to repeating himself.Plus it was a question were I was the OP.
RustyhookerTrue true! Lol
Mr.JayAll I'm going to say is that you shouldn't be giving any advice on HCG, when you don't even know why or when to use HCG! I couldn't get past your first paragraph, after reading your errors in when and when not to use HCG. THIS IS HOW ALL THE FALSE INFORMATION GETS OUT THERE. I RECOMMEND SPEAKING TO AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST, OR REALLY STUDYING HCG FROM AN ACCREDITED SOURCE!
RustyhookerOr read up on Llewellyn who is a PhD and where this report is based
I've personally used an hcg as part of pct, 10 days 500iu a day, followed by clomid and a test booster. I'm no expert, and had close to no idea what I was doing. So don't look at me lol. But I didn't know about using on cycle to help against complete shutdown. Great knowledge, thank you
I'm new to this game, and I know that opinions, anecdotal evidence and clinical studies may all be at odds here, but from what I can gather, it seems low dose (200- 250iu), semi frequent dosing (e2d or e3d) the last 4-ish weeks of a cycle is the most effective.
I'm no guru by any definition, but hcg post cycle seems to prolong correction of one's HPTA. I know people who run it the last 4 weeks of their cycle and maybe a week or 2 into pct (particularly when using long estered compounds), but that's about that (although I know many here use it for pct).
I've only used it as explained in my 1st paragraph, so i can only speak for the effectivness of that protocol. Simply my .02$
Its not necessarily the case that anyone is wrong per se. its more that there are various uses for hcg for aas users. For example; it can be used on cycle (or during trt, mainly for aesthetics as I understand but perhaps a TRT head could add to this) to retain testicle size for aesthetics, to reverse shrinkage, to prevent loss of sensitivity to LH, to reverse loss of sensitivity to LH (actually to kickstart the chain of hormonal reactions that eventually product natural testosterone) to prevent a complete shutdown of testicle function/preserve fertility and as a PCT.
You could probably simplify it this way and say hcg is to be used to:
To prevent certain aspects of shutdown to give a recovery headstart
As a PCT
In terms of timing, as there are so many uses, it is subjective to the user and is simply a protocol.
But, if you want to design a best practice, subjective to you, protocol, then it will take some trial and error, depending on what is important to you.
It would be smart, to use hcg on cycle, continue using it into pct to the point where recovery begins (most recently for me this was 3-4 weeks into my pct - everyone is different), then switch off
You could do bloods to be very accurate, or trial and error. I went trial and error, and it worked, and I now do hcg for 3 weeks of pct which is now min 5 weeks depending on the cycle which might make it longer...
Interesting post,
There is an opportunity to expand on HCG AS a post cycle therapy alongside an ai but without clomid/Nolv etc.
SlamhamsFake news reporting.,,,copy and paste ....Get a brain...copy and paste doesn't work well around here.
You do know that he is Banned right?
Taking HCG during a cycle is a waste and won't help. HCG is trying to turn your natural test back on while steroids are turning it off.
The only time to take HCG is at the end of a cycle only once all the steroids are out of your system so if your taking test enanthate you need to wait a good 3 weeks until the first shot of HCG.
This is not true
bodaducheeIm going to use some hcg. I ve never done this and Im doing my reasearch. Say I get 1500ius. What next. Im useing this as part of my pct. I reaally dont know how to mix this or dise and need help
There is a clue somewhere in the write up, maybe start with the title :|
I strongly disagree with this post. HCG should always be ran ON CYCLE. It's not often I say things like this but if these are the kind of things op is gonna post, it's good for the community he's banned. And a 12 week test cycle is a perfect example of when TO use HCG. HCG will prevent testicular atrophy wich is no joke. And in turn by keeping the testes functioning vs allowing them to completely shut down, will make for a much easier recovery. A much easier transition off AAS.
On a basic 12 wk 500mg wk test cycle always run 250iu 2x week starting week 3 or 4 but no later. If you want to start sooner that's fine to. But no later then the 4 th week.
On a heavy duty cycle the dose may need to be adjusted.
I'm happy to help anyone who needs help on reconstruction. Op imo wayyy overcomplicated this.
Spot on +1
Awesome you gave a guy who wrote a reply two years ago.
Yea and your point being ?
I wasted 5 minutes reading a two year old post. I come here to help not waste my time.
Nobody made you read this two year old post im digging thru posts old and new sometimes to pick up information so if your just on here to start shit look somewhere else like Facebook if not get off my nuts and go fuck yourself I could give a fuck less about your time or how valuable you think (keyword think) it is.
Oh Jeeze. Another internet tough guy. My point was its a really old thread. Read all you want but when you bump it it goes back in the cue. pretty easy to understand
Old information is still good IMO. Some of these threads are good to be bumped.
When did the material become less relevant to justify this sort of emotional connection?
thank you good recovery from that post
can you use a 1/2 CC Insulin Syringe with 29 G X 1/2" Needle?
Ahhhh. I really prefer a 1 inch vs a half. To be honest I'm not sure. Maybe but you might wanna ask someone else on that. When it comes to slin pinz I never used 1/2's, only 1 inch
so do you split 500iu each week or take it once?
Is it possible to store opened ampules with mixed HCG, or should I mix HSC powder and bacteriostatic water inside the syringe and replace it on a sterile vial? If so, any tips on where to get sterile vials? Thanks
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/5000iu-hcg-ho...
in the comment there's a step by step hope it helps
Do you start in week one with the Hcg when running deca or?
So stop Hcg a week after your cycle and then the next week do your pct?
Do you have I inject HCG using insulting needles? Where do you inject the hcg? Glutes? Shoulder?
Yea you need an insulin needle and you inject it subcutaneous an inch away from your belly button.
Awesome information. How exactly do you mix the HCG and bac water? Do you just pull the HCG into the syringe and then pull the bad water into the same syringe and then pin it? Im going to run a 20 week test/eq/mast cycle in a bout a month how long should PCT be for it?
Ace VenturaThe HCG comes dry. You put the bac water into the vial the HCG comes in. (Some people use a separate vial but that shouldn't be necessary) Use an insulin needle for pinning.
What's up ace. I knkw this is mad old, but I've never used hcg and want to put it into my next sust,eq,dbol cycle that's gonna be 16-18wks long..if you can PM me and point me in right direction I'd appreciate it...
gotcha, then how do you know how much to put into the HCG vial? Do you have to use an insulin needle?
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always shoot the bac water against the side of the vial on the inside!
So not to destroy the very fragile hormone inside that puck of powder
Slowly let it run down the inside side wall of your HCG vial!
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