posted Thu, 11/06/2025 - 21:49
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What’s your pick and why? Done with just Test and GH (and some orals/occasional mast or primo) and will be adding one. I tried DHB way back n I felt like I got shot in the ass with a 12 gauge, so I tossed it, but have heard people have been getting mild pip now with some brands. Would love to hear anyone’s thoughts. Kthx
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How bout NPP then Dhb for the next cycle. Possibly more productive?
Completely different drugs. Super lean then dhb is an eye opener. You can cut on npp with low test since its diet. But yall should look more into dry or wet versus chem brands/types. Strength or visuals
If you can stand the PIP, its really great. Find a batch with less PIp, cut it 1 to 1 with something lower dosed. You really have to master pinning in multiple areas. You run out of places to pin quick. DHB was the most painful compound ive ever used. Ive used it twice. It makes life really uncomfortable while on cycle. People put up with it bc it puts on solid, lean mass without any sides besides the PIP. I used 400mg ish a week esch cycle for i forget how many weeks.
I love NPP and I love DHB. I may have been dreaming but I think I recall seeing some oral DHB listed from a source on here? If I was in better health id love to be my own guinea pig, one more time for that.
I’ve never ran DHB but always been curious just hesitant with all the pip, currently on NPP 65mg ed.
Would love to see what kind of gains you’d see w both together
Either way lmk how the DHB goes if you take that route kind of considering it for next summer!
I used Nappy DHB at 200mg a week. Little to no PIP with it. I had planned to mix with the sustanon, but I didn’t have to. I’ve never done tren, but I’m told the effects are similar, minus the less desirable sides.
Loved it at 100mgs a day
I would do test prop 350 mgs a week
Npp 350 mgs a week
Dhb 350-700 mgs a week
Thanks bro
Ive used DHB a number of times ranging from 100-200mg per ml. All had some level of PIP but for me, it was dependent on the brewer.
When the PIP was bad, I cut it with sterile mct oil which made a big difference. Always heated before injecting too, which helped. I always loaded the DHB, mct oil and test in the same syringe.
DHB is one of my favorite compounds, right up there with Primo. Never ran it with NPP so I can't comment on that.
Cutting it with the mct oil cut back on the Pip your saying
Yes
Thank you!
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DHB for the marble statue look. NPP so your elbows don’t explode. Why choose? Do both.
– Pandateston, Captain of Terrible Advice
WHY NOT ?
I know you’re a Test + GH guy, with Primo/Mast in the rotation… and you’re already a BIG dude.
But if you add these two compounds, you’re going to grow even bigger while keeping the quality.
Don’t drop the GH.
Run everything together.
Also, NPP is the most anabolic and the least androgenic in that stack … it will push size without wrecking the look.
Yayyyy got something to look forward to. Only thing that is strange to me is one of my bb friends told me npp made him depressed? But at the same time it’s a short ester so if I get bad mental sides I can always drop it quick
Yeah bro, that can happen to some guys, but it’s not super common. Most of the “NPP depression” happens when estrogen and dopamine aren’t in the right place. If E2 is too high or the dopamine tone dips, your vibe can get dark real quick. When those things are in check though, NPP is actually one of the smoothest, cleanest anabolics to run.
And you nailed the key point … short ester means you’re never stuck.
If your head starts feeling weird, you pull it and within a couple days things level out. No long suffering like with Deca.
You know, everyone responds different, so it’s just the usual: test it, track how you feel(w/bloodwork), adjust if needed. Give them a fair try. There’s a real chance you end up loving what it does for fullness and progress.
Is DHB liver toxic? More so than other compounds?
No, DHB isn’t liver toxic the way some people think.
The confusion comes from dudes mixing it up with M1T / methyl 1-test / oral 17aa versions … those absolutely hammer your liver.
Injectable DHB (1-test cyp) is not 17-alpha-alkylated.
So it doesn’t stress the liver the same way orals do. It’s basically in the same lane as EQ / Primo / Mast in terms of liver impact.
The real “side” with DHB isn’t liver … it’s:
1st - HDL dropping (similar to Mast, DHT-derivative stuff)
2nd - PIP really depends on how it’s brewed, the solvents used … and honestly, the person too. Some dudes are just immune to PIP.
3rd and more important - It tends to raise red blood cell count pretty fast … it stimulates erythropoiesis, which means your blood can get thicker. So you really have to keep an eye on hematocrit, stay hydrated, and use the right supplements to keep blood viscosity under control.
But it’s also individual … some guys will see hematocrit climb even on TRT, while others run moderate doses and stay fine. Genetics plays a role.
For me, this is the biggest real risk of DHB … not the cosmetic stuff, not aggression, not “tren brain.” Not even Liver…Thick blood is the silent villain.
You don’t feel it, there’s no obvious warning sign… but it quietly damages your cardiovascular system, increases clot risk, and that put pressure on the kidney as well…and by the time symptoms show up, you’re already in a bad spot.
So yeah … regular bloodwork, hydration, cardio, and sometimes a donation are non-negotiable if you’re gonna run it.
There’s no study showing DHB causes liver damage when pinned.
Everything out there on non-methylated boldenone derivatives shows normal AAS strain, nothing dramatic.
So…to sum it up…
No … DHB is not some special liver-destroyer.
Yes … still do bloods.
Not because DHB is dangerous, but because running gear = monitor your shit. But it’s nowhere near the danger level of orals like Sdrol, Halo, or M1T…
https://youtu.be/toknj4gBlKI?si=4HG12SrWThh-k_4N
I do appreciate the detailed response. It’s gives some valuable insight. There is however these guys (from the link) claiming that it is indeed liver toxic and do seem to be discussing the non-oral version. Im not trying to say these guys are right but what do you think about their opinion? Their argument is about as convincing as yours.
I like all three of those guys. Kurt is just strongly anti-DHB because he personally didn’t like it, and that’s fine. But notice something important:
His argument is opinion-based, not evidence-based.
In that video he talks about one guy who ran DHB for a year straight and had issues.
That’s not data… that’s an anecdote. One example doesn’t prove anything in this game. If it did, then Anavar would be “kidney death” and Masteron would “cause depression in everyone.” But we both know that depends on the individual.
Now, look at what compounds he does love:
• Tren + Anadrol
• Tren + Deca
• Tren + more Tren
He never brings up:
• Tren neurotoxicity
• Anadrol hematologic impact
• Deca prolactin and lipid strain
Why?
Because we all defend the compounds we LIKE, not necessarily the “safest.”
This happens to everyone at some point. People attach identity to what works for them.
Same with the Todd Lee example: try convincing him Mast isn’t superior to Primobolan in every way. You won’t. Because it’s preference, not science.
Here’s the real bottom line with DHB:
• It is not methylated, so it is not liver toxic like Superdrol, Halo, M1T, etc.
• The real issue with DHB is hematocrit / RBC elevation, which I mentioned earlier.
That’s where the actual risk is. Not the liver.
And yes … the PED world has very few real clinical studies. A lot of what we know comes from:
• Bloodwork
• Long-term users
• Coaches who track markers across hundreds of athletes
So we listen, compare, test, and decide.
So answering you question again, bro:
No, injectable DHB is not uniquely liver-toxic.
But yes, like any AAS, you need to monitor bloods.
And yes, opinions vary because experiences vary.
I listen to all of them. I respect them.
But I am not influenced by anyone just because they have a YouTube channel or a Pro Card.
I test things myself, watch bloodwork, and adjust.
Same advice I give anyone:
Take what is useful, throw away what isn’t.
Your body will tell you the truth.
Great write up, it’s very important to keep in mind people do react differently with certain things. BUT, I really don’t like how people with certain experiences talk in absolutes as if their experience is the facts. I’d never tell anyone they’re wrong if they like something I don’t, or even be against it. I know what works best for me out of the things I’ve tried as well as dosages. People are way too quick to think they have this holy grail knowledge just because they tried something they didn’t like.
THIS !! Couldn’t agree more, brother man !
Got it. Now does DHB also have the effect of reducing E2 by displacing it like how normal boldenone does?
Different compound mate but I see why you would ask bc similar name
No
Why not take DHB and NPP at the same time? I am telling you man, try some DHB with some Test in the same syringe and you won't get PIP and also do smaller multi doses a week.
What did you say your dosage was again?
I am doing 300mg of test 300mg of DHB and 100mg of deca a week.
Have heard a lot of people recommending putting dhb in same syringe as test to negate pip. Surely everyone has always mixed these, rather than pinning multiple times with test and every other compound on cycle. Why would someone pin dhb separately to begin with, am I missing something? .
You would be surprised at how many people pin their stuff separate because they think mixing it will mess up the compound some how.
That’s actually retarted but I’m not surprised at all people think something so fucking stupid lol
Same people they put DO NOT DRINK on back of bleach bottles for?
Pin it by itself like a real man!
Sounds retarded lol Peeps do it with tren too? I thought it was normal to mix shit together.
Really didn’t know people injected individual substances. I’d end up like a pin cushion! One barrel, one pin, always.
Ya that's wild. I'll stick to my daily doses of mixed semen
I see the tren has kicked in fully bro
I ran it from week 1-5 this cycle. On 14 now, I do miss it though . But I also dont lmao
Semen or tren?
Lmfao
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