posted Sat, 05/11/2024 - 20:16
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Buying pre-packaged stacks for first cycle
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I've been working toward my first cycle, and came across a vendor which sells stacks as package deals.
I'm looking at one which promises 7lbs of lean mass in 7 weeks.
It consists of 250mg of Testosterone Propionate and 200-400mg of Primo per week
PCT is Clomid and Nolva
They claim Anastrozole isn't needed because of the low test dosage.
Does this sound right for a first cycle? I'm thinking maybe I should buy Anastrozole anyway, to have on hand when I do my bloods after a few weeks. And could this be extended into a 12 week cycle if I buy more test?
I'm not naming the vendor so I don't break forum rules, but they seem legit. I'm keen to know if it's a sensible purchase
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Don’t ever buy those pre designed stacks.
As everyone else has said - run test enanthate or cypionate for 12 weeks. If it is your first time using AAS, you will see amazing results with test only. I am sensitive to estrogen so I always have Arimidex. And you’ll still want the clomid and nolva for pct two weeks after last pin.
MOST IMPORTANTLY - Your diet. No newbie wants to hear this but your diet is more important than any compound you put in your body. I can do the same workout routine and either cut or bulk. The only difference is what I’m eating and how much. Eat right and in 3 months you’ll see huge changes from test and diet alone.
Do you find yourself doing anything differently with your diet during a cycle than you would during a typical bulk?
Not sure what you mean. Cycle vs off cycle bulk?
Yes, that's what I mean. I currently bulk with the bog standard 10% calorie surplus and 1 gram/lb protein, 5 meals yadda yadda. Is there any special consideration I would make on a cycle? I'm very keen to eat right to get the most out of it.
I would stick with that and see how you do. Your metabolism may be higher on cycle but that’s a good place to start. If you’re not gaining size then maybe up it a little more as long as you’re not gaining too much fat.
Your first cycle should be Test only. Primo is for advanced users and requires more frequent pinning, which kinda disqualifies it as a beginner drug. Run Test by itself for twelve weeks 300-500 mg per week, preferably pinning twice per week at 150-250mg per pin. Your test should be either Cypionate or Enanthate 250-300mg. Stay away from the 400-500mg compounds. They are also for advanced users, and can cause you some pain and discomfort if you don’t know what you’re doing. Be sure to eat clean and train hard. You should end up very happy with your progress, and grow a better understanding of how your body reacts to testosterone.
Bad idea to play to newbs for profit.
This is a horrible idea for a cycle in general, let alone the first one!! lol Test Prop is really for cutting cycles and people like me who like the feeling of it and can handle pinning A LOT! Start off the proper way and use Test E at 500mg/wk, 2 injections per week Monday and Thursday. Primobolan is an expensive steroid that needs to be run high to see any results, its definitely not designed for a first cycle, shouldn't be stacked with Test prop ideally and is for guys wanting to run a no costs barred, long, healthy cycle probably about 5 cycles in.
PCT is Clenbuterol and Nolvadex - WTF??!! Should be Clomid and Nolva mate with optional HCG if you feel you need it.
I misread the PCT - it is indeed Clomid
500mg/wk Test E is what I have been preparing for. I got severely distracted by all these packages though!
The vendor is one of the most popular ones, and it seems weird to promote such specialised stacks as turnkey solutions.
They're in sales buddy. Read the review boards. That's where the truth is
For sure
anvilNo one can tell you what you need, only blood work will. 7 weeks is a NO. Go waaayyyy longer. Primo is a waste at 7 weeks for sure. If you do gain 7lbs, it won't be all lean muscle. Pretty much scrap this whole plan.
You first cycle should be only testosterone an see how you respond and get it dialed in.
7 wks I would go 10+ wks and have a AI on hand.
If you start stacking on your first cycle and something goes wrong you don't know which one to cut out so I would go with only test c-e
An I would do the right PCT do some more research make sure your diet and your training is on key. Good luck buddy
Where did you get this promise from?
I say do some reading and start from scratch.
The vendor is among the highest rated on this site. Selling stacks seems to be a recent feature. Their sales blurb extolls all the mass a newbie can achieve.
I always go by London broil. Go to your local grocery and look at the London broil, it’s the leanest and is usually cut to 1- 11/4lb pieces. You’re going to put 7 of them, that much lean tissue, on your body in 7 weeks? Sorry bud, no.
Clen for PCT? Is that correct? Only thing with plug and play cycles what if you want to increase? Never personally bought into that plug and play hype. And first cycle with virgin muscles, do you really want the propionate and multiple injections. I would start with a longer ester and only test, go 12+ weeks. But thats me looking in hindsight if i could rewind and start over to my first cycle
I misread. It is clomid.
These stacks can be good, but you plan your cycle first and then if you happen to find on that’s dosed exactly how you planned, then cool. But even then things change and it makes it very difficult to change dose and adjust. For that reason I never use them
If that was guaranteed id run it myself for 52 weeks straight and never run gear again. Come on dude.
7lbs lean in 7 weeks!? HELL YA!
For the vendor to promise seven pounds of lean tissue in seven weeks is ignorant, irresponsible and laughable
The only first cycle that “sounds right” is a testosterone only cycle.
That is what I was thinking - You've confirmed my instincts. I was considering Test E on its own, but then came across these packages.
They are trying to sell AAS as a kind of turnkey product, packaged for safety, cutting, high mass yield, women etc. It's a very good proposition, but sorta asks the customer not think to do anything beyond buying and pinning.
The effects that these compounds have on our bodies is highly individualized. You have to be methodical in your approach to using them. Master their use one by one and then you can create a stack that suits you. Step one is always Testosterone because it is the foundation, and also because, early on, it is more than sufficient to grow on. Basic pharmacology, the least amount required. You only even think to run a cycle if you have all your basics of diet, training and nutrition dialed in. You should already have a physique indicative of someone who trains.