Best way to cycle while on TRT
Hey yall, I'm 36, 217lbs, 6'2", and around 17%. I've been on 200mg of Test C/week for about 6 years. I want to run a cycle with it now. I did a tren cycle a few years back,and worked great, but ended up injuring my shoulder, tore a hamstring, and blew a disc in my back. Not all at the same time, but one after the other After a couple years of pt and careful lifting, I'm going to start a new cycle.
What would you recommend for someone on TRT? I've skipped a few of my doses every once in a while, so I have a bunch of test C saved up and ready. I would prefer to pin 2x per week, but I could do 3 if no other option. I was hoping to just add an anabolic to my 1cc of test, and do that 2x/week. Can I inject more than 1 cc if i.mix them?
Is there a decent anabolic that can be done 1-2x per week? Can I just mix it in with my test c? Do I need any cycle support since I'm not natural anyways? I'm assuming I don't need any PCT? Just taper back down to my normal 200mg/wk?
As a side question, with a 6 year prescription for test, does that make it possible/easy to get some other gear prescribed? Maybe from an online doctor or something?
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Trt 200mg per week for 6 years lol
Who prescribe you 200mg trt?
Started at 100mg every other week. Up to 200mg weekly and consistently at 500-700 test.
I'm in New England
Just up your test and keep it simple.
17%? I'd say cut down to 12% then run the usual 500mg test. I hate to say it but you being on trt (doubtful if its trt since 200mg test sounds more like a cruise dose) and still being 17% bf says enough about your diet/workout ethics. Skip the deca and whatever else because you don't know what you're doing. Keep it simple. But cut down first.
My diet and work ethic are alright. I'm coming off of multiple injuries, and just trying to get back to my peak now that I can lift heavy pain free.
I may be less than 17%, I'm just guessing.
I'm almost 1k between my squat deadlift and bench, I used to be at 1150 at my peak
I can show u the script and bloods if u really want lol.
Up to 500, and is regular blood testing needed for an AI?
Thanks for the advice.
I believe you without proof. Its recommended to do blood testing or else you"re just guessing where your e2 is at. Be careful with ai, dont pop them like skittles.
Decided to go with my current trt script at 200mg/wk test C, and adding a 500mg blend of 300mg test E/ 200mg Deca. Going to add that 1x/week,l for 10 weeks, and oral dbol 40mg ed for 6 weeks. Bought some Arimidex too.
The deca should be a great addition, low sides and 1x per week make it easy to add to my test.
Such a bad idea being at 17% bf...
RustyhookerProlactin? Testing? 1pin a week...Looks over your head....
Over his head by like a shit ton of miles.
I have no problem admitting this, it's why I'm here.
I respect that. Listen to the people here. Skip the deca.
If you really want a bit more of an enhanced cycle. Do the 300mg test with some primo or var. Thats a really nice recomp cycle.
Honestly if you're not competing id stay away from deca and tren. The technicalitie (managing prolactin for example) that come with adding those compounds are just not worth it imo.
You can build an amazing physique using (a combination of) compounds like anavar, primo, masteron, dhb and EQ.
Thanks for this, after doing more reading im.thinking maybe EQ, but not doing anything until I plateau l, so who knows it could be a while.
I need caber on this stack? I'm pinning 2x weekly. 200mg test C friday, 300mg test E/ 200mg deca on Monday.
Testing for what? Seems like a mild stack...and I'm already on trt...
Playing with matches and gasoline when combining deca and dbol without any prolactin control on hand.
The gyno experiment part two.
https://www.eroids.com/group/intermediate-cycles/cycle-test-deca-bulking...
Seems I was not far off, aside from the prolactin. At my dosages can't I just take the Arimidex and caber regularly and be ok? Or are bloods absolutely necessary?
Maybe save the dbol for a diff stack? From what I've read it seems like deca and dbol are frequently.used together. Am I wrong? Or just grab some caber and good to go?
These questions lead me to believe you don't understand the complexity of running a 19-nor. Right now your most logical choice would be to skip the deca and dbol and run just your test. So many noobs end up with gyno running dbol for first cycle. You don't even know what your aromatization rate is with just test and now you want to add one the most highly aromatizing AAS available along with it. Recipe for disaster.
For real. Can't go from point A to point Z.
There are alot of points in between A and Z. Guess test only cycles are "weak sauce" to noobs nowadays.
Prob going test only. Trying to get more info.
I figured I would just run the dbol 6 weeks and use the arimidex with it.
I'm confused, do people usually run these cycles while frequently testing blood the entire time and adding AI as needed to adjust levels?
You run test first to learn how you metabolize it and your estrogen conversion so you know much AI you need to run with that test dose. Then you add in other compounds on separate cycles to learn how those compounds affect everything. Adding to much stuff at once you won't know what is going on if shit hits the fan. You usually get some bloodwork done about a week or two after you start your AI to see if you need to adjust levels. First cycle you don't take AI as needed. You have no clue about what that means and that is usually the recipe that ends in gyno for someone starting out. Long ester test you start AI end of week 4 and gets bloods done one or two weeks later and adjust AI dose up or down or stay as is depending on the bloodwork.
Even though I've been running test for 6 years? I would think I'm metabolizing it fine if all my blood work has been coming back normal for that long... Or is it going to be that much different when I double my dose?
I just checked my labs from my last yearly bloods in October. It was day 6 after pin, and my estradiol was <15. Does this mean that I'm metabolizing it well? Will this change significantly enough to worry going from 200 to 500/wk?
Edit: I'm looking and my test was 159...wtf?hemaglobin and hematocrit were both a little high. What questions should I be asking my Dr.?
RustyhookerHes trollin bro....not worth the efforts
If you read the rest of what im posting in this thread you would see that I'm not trolling. I'm trying to figure this shit out.
It would be alot more helpful if people on forums like these would say things like " search for this" or " read this article/thread" rather than pointing out how inexperienced we are. I'm going to do a cycle regardless, I'm just trying to get myself in the right situation to minimize the damage.
I have more questions but not sure where to ask to get some decent information and not be ridiculed or told "just stay on test". Help a brother out.
In the meantime I've been trying to read up on this shit, but good information seems hard to find without spending hours and hours filtering through everything. Would be easier if some more experienced users could point me in the right direction and save me a shitload of time filtering through all this information.
RustyhookerYour replies act like you know it all and you dont. Dude laid it out straight for you and you kerp arguing.
Ya, you should read a few hours. Sit here gold spoonfed arguing bs.
Sorry if it came off that way. I don't think I know it all, I'm just trying not to look like a fool, which doesn't seem to be going well.
I guess I figured I knew enough to get through a cycle, but apparently not.
I'm still learning alot, but damn it's slow. I understand that no one here wants to spoonfeed anyone.
I'm honestly just trying to learn, but I'm not completely clueless. I've been very successful at many different things in life that I started not knowing anything about.
I've already come to understand that I will probably have to figure this whole thing out by myself. I wish more people would be helpful, but whatever, if the information is there, I'll find it. It just may take a whole lot longer before I'm ready for a cycle, than if a professional just worked with me for 20 min to point me in the right direction.
Every day injections with a 29g slin pin. Minimized side effects, more stable blood levels then say 2x’s a week.
U can push oil through that?
What's your levels on 200mg of test a week? That's not exactly TRT levels. That's like a small cycle for 6 years.
At day 5-7 I'm averaging 500-700. Currently testing 1x per year. I started trt before I started lifting, regularly tested below 100 for a while, tried the creams and gels, then 100mg injections every other week, and worked up to the 200mg weekly. I'm not sure if size has anything to do with it, I'm 6'2" 217lbs right now
I mean everyone metabolizes Test differently. Yes and no, I'm 5'11 and 235lbs but my last blood test I was taking 165mg a week and put me over 1300 after 4 days of my last pin. Not saying you're on bunk gear or maybe you metabolize Test fast. Just seems like a lot to be reading 500-700.
Is bunk gear even a thing if it's from the pharmacy? I've done about 4 years of 200mg/wk testing the first 2 years every 6 months, and now every year, I've never been over 1000 at all, and I've tested days 4-7.
Can it go bad? I had a pharmacy error while back land me 12 extra vials, so I rotate out the old ones.
If it’s a 10ml vial from a manufacturer, I believe Watson is the big one here in the US I would say you’re 100% good. If you’re going through a TRT clinic, and you’re receiving your medication from a compounding pharmacy that’s deep in the swampland of Florida, well, who knows?
It's from CVS, prescribed by my doctor. They get it from Hikma pharmaceutical in Portugal. Don't know anything about them
I mean it has happened. There are some well known figures who would sell UGL gear to pharmacies as it was cheaper to buy from UGL. Not sure how often in the states but I know for a fact in Mexico it happens. The carrier oil would go bad before the hormone does. Sealed unopened vials may last a few years. Only way to know for sure is get a vial from somewhere else. Test it out and get bloods done. Maybe you're just an outlier and needs 200mg a week. Just for the majority it's not good to run that high for a long time. Not trying to shut you down or anything, I just like to help people
I appreciate the feedback. I don't know much about hormones, but I know all my levels seemed fine to my doctor every time I go, and I'm always within that range, so not sure.
I'm in the US, and the boxes say it's from Portugal, so idk.
I swear I have noticed a difference when the brand changes, but my wife's a nurse and she says I'm crazy.
Nah you're not crazy lol our bodies know what good gear feels like.
I believe many of your questions can simply be searched for on this forum so I am going answer the ones I think are not as readily available.
As a note, I am also on TRT and am not a doctor so this is all recommendations.
I recommend either a higher test cycle or you stay on TRT and add an oral. For the test cycle, I recommend getting bloodwork done privately (avoid any insurance issues) and having AI on hand. On TRT, you dont need to PCT so you simply run the cycle then taper back down to your TRT dose.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, make sure your diet is in check first. 17% bf is still a bit but not terribly bad when looking at recent threads of kids wanting to start. I recommend getting down to around 10% before any cycle.
Thanks for the reply. Diets in check, I might be less than 17%, I can see my 2 upper abs. I live in New England, so I'm coming out of a winter hibernation for which I won't survive at 10% lol.
Why do you recommend oral and not adding an injectable?
Oils are superior in my opinion, however in this case your cycle should just be a higher test dose. This may come with certain ai issues and dosing only 2x week is not ideal. Orals are easier and its a nice way to add just a little something for a short period of time. Im talking about low dose orals and something more mild.
I do this when Im on TRT. I will stay on TRT for a month then pulse orals before a cycle
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