posted Sun, 12/08/2024 - 16:07
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Been 20 years since I ran my 1 and only cycle of test, deca, and dbol. Currently on TRT 200mg per wk and gonna run some bloods in a few weeks. If all comes back good am gonna jump on test c 300 per wk, NPP 100 per wk, primo 100 per wk for 16 weeks and last 4-6 add in anavar. Hitting light cardio 4 days a week, weights 4-5 days a week and diet & water is good. Currently 5'10", 165lbs and pretty lean I'd say maybe 15%bf or less. Thoughts? Anyone run something similar?
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That cycle isnt well chosen a nd wont replace proper diet etc. Simple 500mg test 1-12. Var 8-14. Trt week 13.
Those doses sound like daily or eod dosing to me. I thought to really see primo work 400mg wk. Minimum and to see it shine 600mg wk. And more.
I mean unless your just looking for Lil e2 control and Lil bit of joint relief. Because your not gonna build much off that. You are light so i guess it will do something but. Idk i just thought the off your not doing supraphysiological doses there's really no point. 500mg test and better probably be better at 750mg. At least 400mg primo preferably 600mg. 400mg npp. Your on trt your body is used to this stuff is not like it's something so foreign might as well really shock it.
Yea but you’re literally like two of him. Doses for you to grow will be much different than the doses for him to grow.
Better for him to start low like that and ramp up the mgs per week if the growth stalls. You don’t throw 1+g of gear per week at a 5’10 165lb frame…well I guess you can but you shouldn’t lol
anvilAgreed!
Tru. That's why i said well at his weight he might. But what about the supraphysioligical dosing. I've read that since the 2000s reading muscular development that you have to do at least 500mg week otherwise you might as well stay natural. Well i guess he's on trt so he is natural right. Honestly i think you should be working out for years and reach a certain level where your not gaining the same and is coming slow. Then start juicing.
No argument there. I lifted consistently and hard for 18 years straight before finally starting gear. I don’t think you gotta wait that long, but I definitely don’t like seeing the “I’ve been lifting for 1-2 years and have stalled so I’m ready to start gear”….stalling at 1-2 years in means you got no idea what you’re doing in the gym or kitchen.
I also think the 500mg thing would be to notice statistically significant changes in the standard 12 week cookie-cutter cycle length. I’m out here cycling for 20+ weeks, so I’m ok with slightly lower doses and slightly less muscle accrual per week since I’m running it much longer. I still haven’t ran 500mg test per week. Will probably get there next bulk cycle though since I’m finally getting to adult grown male weight of 230+…
Exactly run doses that are going to make a difference and are worthwhile doing, there is nothing clever about injecting absolute bare minimum just because some guys think it sounds cool and makes them look better. At the end of the course you want to be looking in the mirror and saying 'Yeah I look awesome! not stood there wondering if it has made a difference or not. And no, running a normal level cycle is not going to put you into an early casket lol
anvilWell small guys can use small doses for sure. Or if for some odd reason you want to be average it will also be effective at that.
Not for me. Not here for that.
Although at a fasted weight 231 I'm feeling insecure lol.
Lmao.. right just people wanna say I'm running primo test npp. And people love saying they're on primo. I will be honest though it does sound cool. Lmao. But nothings cooler than saying your on superdrol like cmon bro is fucking super anadrol!! You gotta get on it! If your not your not cool. Lol
I was going to give you my opinion on that statement - but because Anvil likes running primo I don't dare LMAO
Dude the worst possible outcome is to be running gear and look natty.
Is that trt dose prescribed? If so, what levels does it normally put you at? I know lots of guys that have to donate blood and supplement just on trt doses so be weary of that if not. How has your progress changed since you started that 200?
In terms of cycles that is really not too crazy, but for just coming back after all that time the super low doses of primo and npp/anavar may not even be as beneficial as you think. Each compound adds more stress on the body and having essentially never used these you want to know what affects you in what way. Even a higher mg test only cycle you will be surprised how much you can get out of it!
I guess really ask yourself what you’re looking to accomplish with this cycle like @smallsmoothballsack said and report back.
I think you probably can gather my 2 cents from those first couple paragraphs haha.
Also… Welcome to eroids brother! Great place with lots of great people.
Yes that is what I was prescribed by the doc. I have surgery in 2 days and gonna do bloods after and see where I'm at. I've never had to donate, bloods were good. Bloods done 3 months ago but total t at 1700, free at 470, e2 at 90. Hdl, ldl, hemo all good. Bp 128/80. Since starting I've lost 30 pounds (195 to 165) and see abs again, energy levels way up, mental focus better, libido --. Now that I've lost the fat I'm wanting to build back with lean muscle and gain strength, which strength is already going up some.
And thanks! Love reading all the posts and answers, lots of info here to further educate
Wow. Shocked you have a doc that is keeping you on 200 reading at 1700+!
Like I said personally would go with a higher dose of test just dipping back in after that long, but be sure to have all ancillaries on hand considering the use of a 19-nor. Don’t rely on the primo for anything as we don’t have anything to judge off how you’ve reacted in the past. Like I said personally don’t recommend adding more than one compound you’ve never tried before at once, but more than happy to give some input and you’re an adult my man!
That’s what this place is all about! You will meet lots of great guys and get lots of great info.
Ya since I wasn't experiencing any sides at those numbers he kept me there. Had me start an AI and I immediately felt like shit, as soon as I stopped I felt good again. He also put me on HCG and I feel like that it bumping my E2 to high. Gonna start p5p ahead of time. I want to introduce these at low dose and do bloods at 4 weeks then bump higher if all is good
What are your goals/expectations of running this cycle?
Want to put on some lean mass and gain strength. Going to surplus the calories by 300-500 and see how it goes.
These are more like long-term low doses added into trt. If you want to blast but keep the overall ammount of drugs low. I'd move the 100mg of npp and 100mg of primo to 200mgs more of test.
Run 500mg test for 16 weeks and you can still add the var in. I think you'll get better quality gains off that then the low test/npp/primo.
+1 exactly what I said. If OP happens to have bad sides or a reaction from primo/NPP/var he won’t be able to distinguish what it’s from as he has never taken any of them before.
I always recommend to run a singular new compound at a time to see how you react.
Most people will be SHOCKED on the amount of progress you can make from 500 test with the basics dialed in.
Thanks for the info. Will the low dose of NPP help with joints at least?
Can't speak on it since I havnt tried it at that dose. I'm first week into running 204mgs per week of NPP and my joints feel absolutely fantastic.
anvilNothing wrong with it. I cruise at 250 test 150 primo, sometimes I'll throw 10mg of var in.
Do you use the primo on cruise for muscle preservation? Or is it an effective way to control estro without using Ai? Combination?
anvilPreservation. I love primo, lol.
Cool, I was reading Markwas post about primo this morning. It seems like a hell of a compound for the committed die hard veterans.