Why Mix It Up?
Having got one real cycle under my belt and inpatiently waiting to start my second, just wanted to get some people's thoughts on why folk mix up their cycles.
Given there are many different AAS out there, what is the reason folk instantly think that after running Test E on their first cycle, that they should move onto other compounds (some folk thinking Tren is an okay choice). Is this on the basis to test the bodies reactions to the different compounds, longer esters and I imagine depending on your goals, such as cutting ot bulking.
I have been reading through this page: https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/creating-steroi... which gives great advice on creating your cycle.
So I guess my question to the OGs here, what was your second cycle and what has made you switch up your compounds?
My second cycle I am thinking will be a bulk cycle, running Test E @500mg per week and pulsing Anadrol. - a while off yet and many pre requisites to sort but happy to hear thoughts. I ran Test E @500 for first cycle and added Anavar from week 6 - 12 - Full PCT completed.
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My second cycle was Test and Dbol, I've always been interested to see what extra levels of strength come with each compound added - which make the biggest differences and which work well with each other to lessen the sides of others. Its also worth nothing some seem to make sides of each feel five times worse lol Ultimately its all about recovery though, if you can only train a muscle once a week hard then you simply won't reach your peak in terms of strength or in the way you look. Test on its own is much better than being natty there is no doubt of that, but it is nowhere near as effective as adding in other compounds to the mix. If the reason you are adding in Anadrol is for size/mass, then you would be better with Dbol imo - however if its for strength then either oral is great.
This was part of my thinking in the sense of testing out other compounds to see not only the positive effect, but also the negative ones that will come with dosage and just the way my body reacts to them. It was a throw up between Dbol and Anadrol with them both being wet compounds but Anadrol, while seemingly harsher does bring more strength gains and that is where my head is at. I do train 5/6 days over 7 and switch up the compound lifts so that each muscle group gets necessary rest and recovery to try maximise the work being put in.
Anadrol is not a wet compound. Quite the opposite. Adrol has superior glycogen retention capability which will make all the weight/water intramuscular and not subq like you get from dbol. It is a DHT based derivative compound and does not aromatize like dbol does. It is quality weight, not sloppy weight like dbol. It is a pretty common compound used in the final days of prep to carb load and swell the muscles because of the superior glycogen loading it provides.
RustyhookerSecond cycle at eroids has never suggested added compounds. Second cycle has always been repeat the first cycle as most didnt run bloods, perfect food, and are new. Perfecting the first with bloods to map your bodys reactions sets the stage for tge future....
Certainly never seen any of the more experienced users suggesting adding compounds. Totally agree on the bloods, not only do they give you the baseline of your overall health before making any decisions on what if any AAS to jump on, but as a mid point check to see how your body is reacting as well as after in your rest/recovery to see what lasting impacts the cycle has made.
Now there are a few vets that have out-of-date type of thinking lol and that thinking is you have to use a certain amount of gear to grow, for an example I remember the thought was if you didn't use 500mg of test a week then you couldn't grow, this type of thinking is silly to say the least. Yes there are certain hormones that require certain dosages but this shouldn't be applied across the board to all hormones for everyone. Know your body and master it. Takes time.
That's it, every one will react different to the dosage as no two bloodworm will be the same. The reason to kick starting at 500mg of Test p/w was down to this being pretty much the golden beginner cycle on the web. Many say nothing hits quite like the first cycle if done correctly and I did respond really well to mine with very minimal sides.
Slow and steady progression is key eh.
It's not cookie cutter for everyone. Like the hyper responders to gear. One guy can run 200mg of Test a week and it'll put him over 2k levels, while the second guy as we've seen puts them under 1k test levels. Genetics are key to AAS. You may be an elite naturally built athlete but you take AAS and they don't work for shit. While someone who has an OK naturally built physique grows like the hulk on AAS. I can run 300mg a week of Test with little issue while my buddy gets gyno on the same dose. It's just the nature of it.
You're right.You know what I think it comes down to man? Alot of times if someone isn't responding to a certain dosage or hormones then for whatever reason that person feels that everyone else shouldn't respond lol. I'm serious, what other explanation? I think some know that genetics is key onesick but they just don't wanna hear that. It's too heartbreaking.
It can be a bummer for someone who does everything right. I believe there was someone on here recently who posted who has a negative response to even Test. Even running TRT they may get all the negatives and no positives. It's rare but it does happen.
And I can understand why, that would suck. Not knocking or making fun of those guys, it's just we all are different. That's my point. We are all unique in our own way
I made a post for about crazy dosages used by newbies and others a week ago and I'll just repeat what I commented...In reality you can pin a gallon of gear for a life time and STILL NOT LOOK like Mr. Olympia or that genetically blessed individual or bodybuilder. It all comes down to genetics pure and simple. Steroids will NOT make your genetics superior, however steroids will optimize whatever genetics you are blessed with, whether average, poor, great, or good. This however shouldn't be misunderstood, NOOO steroids won't make an average genetics guy have superior genetics. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Lastly diet, training and sleep play a part. Genetics is key though!
You are absolutely right there are so many factors in play. I’m still learning after 11 years of lifting
Yes I do remember reading your post and that was in part of getting me thinking around my post. I think given today's social media posts from PTs who are jacked to the gills a lot of folk believe they to can get those results but almost all have never got close to theur natty potential before thinking of moving ontto AAS
Most people fall into the trap that more is better, which is false. Diet and a well-structured training program are what will dictate results while using AAS, not the kitchen sink of compounds you see people running. I keep saying this but you can pin a stack of steroids until it oozes out of your eyeballs, but it won't make a lick of difference how much or what you use if the diet and training aren't on point. Steroids don't make up for a shitty diet and training. The fact is most people really only need to run test cycles only and maybe pop in an oral every now and then for a little extra flavor.
Where stacking does come into play 100% is when you have low enough bodyfat and then you can use various steroids to achieve a certain look. Different steroids will bring out a different look on a lean enough person. DHB, primo, mast, mtren will all provide a different look along with combos of those. Throw in some orals that are synergistic with those along with an oral like adrol to help with carb loading and you can see how the various steroids act as tools to complete a competition physique.
I will also say that stacking comes into a play after a various point when you have put on lean mass way beyond your natural carrying capacity. Higher mg cycles and stacks are warranted then to help overcome the issue of myostatin. I also find one of the primary reasons to stack at this point is to avoid the high aromatization rate that cranking 750-1000mg of test would result in. I pretty much now run test at a level where I don't need to use an AI but i still need to hit 1500-2000mg of AAS/wk. So I can keep test at 300-400mg/wk and then stack it with something like EQ, primo, DHB, mast, NPP or whatever to boost up my weekly mg's without needing use an AI or worry about aromatization. Most people are not there yet; hence they really shouldn't be stacking.
This is it in a nut shell - like I mentioned to DeeMan I think social media has a lot to answer for where people see posts and reels of those who claim to be natty and are in great shape. Many of the current generation want immediate results and wrongly assume steroids will give them that. Like you have mentioned there are many variables in order to get anywhere close to those who clearly have spent a lot of time in their diet, training and understanding what is needed to look good.
So many overlook the diet and training aspect of it. That food and proper training will dictate how compounds respond. Like you said, it's based on goals. I have no big desire to be a BB. Maybe down the road I may consider it but as of now no. I'm not looking to be some model with a shredded physique but I go based off of my goals. I don't need half a dozen compounds for what I want. I just like being stronger than the average man. Sure the way I'm built guys think I BB but I'm more athletic. Though it's rare these days I want to be able to double leg a 280lb guy with no issues if need be lol. I use AAS for my fighting abilities not so much physique, that's just a bonus lol.
Second was the same as the first only longer.
When I was young, dumb, naive and ignorant of AAS I just did what friends and coaches told me. I ran the kitchen sink when I first started. I had very little knowledge. After some years I stopped taking AAS as I wanted to learn on my own. I took several years off to conduct my own research and what would be best for my goals. With a hard reset I ran several Test only cycles over 2-3 of years time. I really wanted to feel what Test could do on it's own. With the knowledge I had my first actually planned cycle by myself was 350mg of Test a week. My second cycle I bumped it up to 500mg a week. And so on...
My thinking is get to know what Test feels like. The good and the bad. That way your body gets familiar with it. I don't believe in stacking compounds right away because if some were to go wrong, then was it the Test or the second compound? I don't think one basic cycle of Test is enough to know all the ugly of Test. I get we all want to jump in the deep end but I think you should start off in the kiddie pool. Run low doses work your way up to run high doses. Get familiar with Test. Get familiar with your threshold without needing an AI. To me that's the best approach, my opinion. There's so many variables and everyone is different. Genetics is everything when it comes to AAS. There are so many variables it isn't a cookie cutter thing.
Great view on it, with most resources online the first cycle was always Test E @ 500mg p/w. As I had already done an oral cycle (yes Rusty I now see why you always say they are a waste of time). This is why I stacked anavar at week 6 to give my body enough time to react to the Test and see how that felt. I did have to take some AI and I do track and plan on tracking cycles so that I can find that sweet spot.
One I couldn't of said that any better and I mean that. What you said is common sense 101 but we all know that even though all have access to this sense, not many choose to use. What you commented is exactly how it's supposed to be in regards to starting cycles with test only, that's exactly what I did. You get a feel and then go from there. I've never had the urge to use alot of compounds or higher dosages and I've been in the game for awhile...(guess too much poking and wanted to avoid sides). We all have our own way though.
When I did my actual cycles on my own I was fine with just running Test. I just didn't feel like I had to run loads of shit. I'm not aiming to be a BB. I still run very few compounds together. To me less is better for what I want.
Absolutely I agree
Second cycle was test and deca. Third was just test and HGH. That test and HGH was my best cycle ever
I imagine when you add two injectable you pin them separately or would you draw X amount of Test and then X amount of Deca and pin into the correct muscle group that can handle the volume? I have seen labs where they combined multiple compounds but I would not have those would be that great.
Combined in one shot
Alot of folks have said that test and GH only were their best cycle and look. Definitely on the safer side.