posted Wed, 03/20/2024 - 09:07
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Sust/ NPP
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Ok so trying to finalize my next cycle. I was talked into trying Sust. So we are giving that a try. Perhaps next time we will give Test P a try.
Injections are EOD.
I will also be taking P5P ED 300mg
I will have blood work done end of Week 4.
I am basing Aromasin off of prior cycle but will adjust according to bloodwork.
Caber would ONLY start if bloods show a reason too. If bloods show a need .25mg a week.
My only real question is if I should include Proviron? I prefer to keep it simple and not expand my wings to much to fast with too many compounds. Im not even sure if it is needed with 300mg of NPP. I kind of have an idea how my body handles Test. Now Im throwing in 19-nor for the first time.
Thoughts?
Cycle:
| Week | Sust | NPP | Aromasin | CAber |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wk 1 | 450mg | 300mg | ||
| Wk 2 | 450mg | 300mg | ||
| Wk 3 | 450mg | 300mg | ||
| Wk 4 (Bloodwork EOW) | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 5 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 6 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 7 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 8 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 9 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 10 | 450mg | 300mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork |
| Wk 11 | 450mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork | |
| Wk 12 | 450mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork | |
| Wk 13 | 450mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork | |
| Wk 14 | 450mg | 6.25mg ED | Based on bloodwork | |
| TRT Dosage | ||||
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Some people may disagree, but when I run Nandrolone I usually stick to the 2:1 rule. So, if I were running your cycle I'd run sust 600mg/wk (I like to inject M/W/F) and then npp 300mg/wk (EOD; obviously you're going to have to slightly adjust your dose weekly). NPP has a much shorter ester than Deca, so I'd run it all the way to the end of week 13. P5P is a good idea. AI and Caber on hand is also a good idea since it is your first time with 19-nors. As for the proviron thing, I love to run with it with every cycle (unless I am running another DHT). At 50mg a day though, it isn't exactly cheap. This is just my two cents though.
With NPP or Tren I always run double the amount of Test too.
I've run test, deca and proviron in the past. Didn't start the proviron until maybe 1 month into the cycle. I started taking 50 mg of proviron a day. Within an hour i noticed the sense of well being they talk about from it. My sex drive went through the roof. If you don't have someone you're sleeping with on a regular basis i suggest you stock up on tissues.
You can find blood work pics i posted previously of my cycles using that show how far down it knocked my SHBG levels if you want.
Id run that sustanon up to 600. By weight its less than enanthate by hormone. I like masteron at 250-300.
Im still trying to wrap my brain around that. To me Test has always been Test. Ester just changes. And I think it was @DeeMan who mentioned it in another post how there is less/more remaining test in Sust vs say Cyp or E etc etc. Im coming off about 400-450mg of Test Cyp a week. So converting that to Sust would be ideal then.
I keep trying to read on it but Im not getting it yet.
Find a forum Test is not test. Its medically cited. Kinda eye opener read or at least raises more questions, ideas and theories.
It can be kinda complicated so I'll just simplify it. Off the top of my head 250mg sustanon will give you a testosterone base of 170mg.
500mg sustanon = 340mg test base.
400mg test C will give a test base of 280mg.
The difference is basically the fast esters in sust are in and out with only Decanoate ester sticking around. Hormone levels aren't as stable when dosing sust 2x/ week.
BEfore I was doing 400-450mg of Test Cyp. I wanted to keep my test around that level maybe a little more. So maybe I will shoot for 500mg of sust
Sounds good. How many cycles have you done total?
I prefer test only for first few cycles but Ok I see. Like I tell newbies, you don't want to overcomplicate things. It's not a sprint. But hope that helped man.
Thats why i was debating on proviron. I rather add one new compound than 2. Get a feel for how the second compound works with my body.
Running a similar cycle right now on week 4
https://www.eroids.com/cycles/march-24-cycle
So what about Proviron with it? Thoughts on that. Thats my main question.
I ran mast E
What dosages do you run this will be my first time running mastrone E I only done 1 cycle before test and anavar now I’m on my second cycle when should I add mastrone to it ?
What are you running?
Your gonna like NPP. I love it. I'm running a little higher but doubt it matters all that much. It's good stuff.
I’m running it at 600mg e/w now and i love the stuff but fuck my life the insomnia is torturing my my soul . In bed about 10 and then wide awake around 1 watch tv until about 3-4 then I’m out and back up around 7ish I feel tired all day but still can’t sleep through on this stuff … its worse than trensomnia for me . Anybody else like this on NPP
Both NPP and any kind of Tren gives me sleep problems. I used to use MK-677 to help with sleep but the stuff wrecked my joints so now I use THC. Everything has a give and take I’m afraid. Love NPP though or it wouldn’t be worth it.
Did you pull bloods?
Not yet I’m only a few weeks into the NPP … I tend to run very similar cycles and I always get like this on NPP or Tren . I will only run it for about 8 weeks anyways and I do have a blood appointment first week in April so I’ll ride it out until then
Bro drop the NPP just a little and see if that helps.. good sleep is key.
That's me on tren E. I sleep so heavy on this npp run that I can't hardly get myself out of bed I'm running 450 though
Well that won't bother me. I have kids that are up at night and an elderly dog up all night. So we all will be up all night
anvilYes gave up on NPP and Deca.
Not on NPP - but I do tend to get it on High Test I have noticed.
I would plan to come off the Sust sooner as well as the npp because the long water associated with Sust will take a while to clear your system, I think it’s 25/40 days. So your test levels will still be elevated due to the testosterone decanoate. That’s also a very long time to be on npp.
Maybe consider
Sust 14 weeks
Npp 10 weeks
Start trt dose two weeks after last Sust shot at half the dose than gradually increase. Until water clears.
I’d even argue for shorter but it seems you’d like to be on a longer cycle.
Originally I had NPP for about 9 weeks. Then decided on longer. 10 weeks could be a nice spot too. Might be a good spot to aim for considering its my first 19-nor experience.
So I updated it to 10 weeks NPP.
A bunch of folks were saying they run 12-14 weeks
Yeah, I think 8 weeks is more than ideal. What are your goals for this cycle? I’m assuming gain mass? Q
Yep main goal is to put on some mass. Obviously the leaner the mass the better but my diet is pretty on point for the most part. Atleast 90% of the time. Also to try a new compound along with Test.
Just debating on Proviron or not. Sounds like it has alot of positives. Although I like to take one compound at a time to see how my body adjusts.
Yeah, proviron or mast for sure with npp. I’d even consider running every cycle with proviron. Masteron murders my hair to the point my scalp feels tingly