posted Fri, 10/20/2023 - 15:23
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Hi everyone just looking to get some feedback on a mass cycle I’m planning in February, going to start picking up gear in the next few months for it. What do you all think? I have a lower dose of test in the first 4 weeks to make room for the D-Bol since they both can aromatize.
| Week/Product | Test Sust | NPP | Dianabol | Arimidex |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 30 MG Daily | On stand by |
| 2 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 30 MG Daily | |
| 3 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 30 MG Daily | |
| 4 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 30 MG Daily | |
| 5 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| 6 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| 7 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| 8 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| 9 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| 10 | 600 MG | 400 MG | ||
| Switch to | Test E | NPP | HCG | |
| 11 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 1500 every 3rd day | |
| 12 | 600 MG | 400 MG | 1500 every 3rd day | |
| Clear | System | 18 | Days Off | |
| PCT | Nova | Clomid | ||
| 1 | 40 MG Daily | 100 MG Daily | ||
| 2 | 40 MG Daily | 100 MG Daily | ||
| 3 | 20 MG Daily | 50 MG Daily | ||
| 4 | 20 MG Daily | 50 MG Daily |
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How is this coming along??? I was thinking about trying sus/npp next January. Ten weeks, 600-750/450 MWF for science purposes. I like this set up, although I'll jump back into trt after week 10. I am usually a big fan of Test P 100mg eod.
Bro it’s hitting this is week 6. Basically PR in reps or weight every workout. I got to post a progress picture. The gains are pretty nuts. The D-Bol was one of the coolest parts but now that that’s over I can really see that the NPP and Sus are starting to take over. I did a deload week right after the D-Bol so week 5. this week just came back like a demon. So far the biggest side effect is an insane sex drive it’s all I think about thank the lawd I’m engaged cause I’d be whoring on an app. I was actually thinking about running a second round of D-Bol starting week 8 but glad I took a break walking up hill was starting to wind me haha
Okay, I'm beginning this cycle at the start of March. I needed to shed some fat before starting, so I've been on a cutting phase. Additionally, my usual supplier isn't reliable anymore, so I switched recently and received my first order today. I'll be placing my second order tomorrow and will be fully prepared to start. I'm quite excited because I've never embarked on a cycle at my current size of 212 lbs. Despite maintaining my diet, I'm still quite strong and muscular, so I believe this will really take me to the next level.
Newguy2023I weigh 165 and going to start a 8 week cycle of test c at 200 once a week and dianabol once a week but I don’t know what a medium dose would be for my body weight any tips on how to figure that out
Test dose isn’t based on body weight. I would start a new forum post with your question
Newguy2023Idk what dose to do with the dianabol like how many mgs a week the test Ik but I heard dianabol not necessarily on body weight just a medium dose wise for my current weight if that makes sense
What would you guys suggest for a pinning schedule?
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Nice bulking cycle! When i am cutting i run the ratios opposite of what you have and use tbol or var plus masteron.
The npp can go week to 2 longer than sustanon.
I’m really interested in Masteron seems like the feeling on it is awesome.
Adds a lil aggression which helps those hard days and keeps your pecker like a rock. Enhanses the NO for good sex and pumps.
Thanks for the info guys I will make some adjustments. I can roll with test sust. I just happened to have test e on hand but I want to do what makes sense.
Do you think Deca E would make more sense for mass vs NPP.
And I’ll move the HCG timing.
I like to hear everyone’s opinions on npp vs deca
Mine personally deca 14-20 lbs of water and puff
Npp 6-10 pounds of scale weight with 3d delts and veins and keepable
When i get into my 60’s soon is the next time i’ll run regular deca to help with my old ass pains & arthritis
Goodluck man cant wait to see how this all works out for ya
Thanks bro!! Yeah I’m going to post some end of cycle photos in the next week then PCT then I’ll be hitting this.
Also we gotta remember sustanon is 2 quick acting esters along with third ester which is isocaproate ester, which is a little bit shorter than Enanthate and then you have Decanoate ester which is longest ester. Only the Decanoate ester needs to build up in sust.
As far as recovery time, big difference. Decanoate ester will stay in system for a month. Now I personally think 6 weeks. This applies to sustanon also because it has test Decanoate in it which is same ester as Deca. So in all just be careful with recovery and be patient because the Decanoate ester in both sust and Deca tends to stick around.
So if you run a cycle then PCT then rest then back on cycle it seems like the rate of recovery would have a huge impact on how much muscle you can keep and carry over to the next cycle. The roller coaster of getting big then smaller but ultimately bigger as you go makes sense. Do you think this type of cycle is right for someone who plans to come off completely before the next cycle. I guess what I’m asking is if the recovery is long with a 19 nor is it worth doing if you pct?
If you take the necessary time off in order for 19 nor to clear then pct is worth it. Deca vs Npp clearance time is different now. My issue is folks aren't patient enough with Deca and tend to start pct a week or two after...not nearly enough time.
Question for DeeMan..
"My issue is folks aren't patient enough with Deca and tend to start pct a week or two after...not nearly enough time."
the consequences of not waiting long enough would be..??
.. less effective?
.. or are there other implications for impatience??
thanks
when you stop ingesting or injecting any hormone the body will take a certain amount of time to eliminate that hormone like it would do any drug. Now Deca takes longer than most testosterones to eliminate or clear from the body. If still in the body it will interfere with the body's recovery of natural hormone. Defeats the purpose of pct.
And alot of times impatience results in reckless use of gear. Basically messing yourself up.
Thank you for all the details! I read a few guides to anabolics that I got online which gave overviews and suggested cycles. Then came here and was like holy shit I read a bunch of trash.
I hear ya.I come completely off and pct but alot of guys do different lol.
NPP is fine for mass building. Deca is the classic but I don't like to run it much because I do hold more water weight, that is not the bullk I need so I opt for NPP which builds muscle just fine. Since you are running Dbol that probably isn't a concern of yours.
For true mass building though you typically need to do a longer cycle. Short cycles are great for cutting up but not as great for bulking. It takes time to build actual muscle but fat can be dropped in an instant and you can harden up quickly so short cycles work just fine for that.
You will get more out of that cycle extending it 12+ weeks. 10wks is to short IMO if using sust, even for test e also IMO. If you only want to go 10wks then prop is your best option. With the sust, the cycle will just keep getting better the deeper you get into it and should be really rolling around 7 weeks in. That is when the real keepable gains will happen. You will be missing out on alot quitting it just a few weeks later. If you don't mind the extra water that Deca puts on vs NPP then just roll with Deca and take cycle out to 14-16 wks. The only problem with this is that it makes PCT a real bitch. 19nors (especially deca) are tough on the HPTA and the longer you run them the tougher it gets. Now I would advise a 5 or even 6wk PCT obviously with HCG in the mix to ensure proper recovery. I think in your case since you are still abe to run a PCT I would opt for NPP and a 12 wk run.
The PCT needs some work if you are going to use sust. Those long esters take more time to clear than test e. With test e at 600mg/wk I recommend 18 days after shot before starting PCT. With sust that gets extended out to about 24 days before starting PCT. Run it through the calculators and you will see why. Most people start PCT way to early when using sust or deca and waste half of their PCT protocol and wonder why they aren't recovering. I would recommend a couple options here at tail end of cycle to more easily progress into PCT so you don't have to wait 3 weeks to wait for all the anabolics to clear. First option is to just switch over to test e for the last 2wks of cycle and then start PCT when you normally would when running test e. The other option is to run a finisher of test P for two weeks after last sust shot, no shots for the 3rd week and then start PCT. The test P option has the potential to put on a little extra mass if you are OK with pinning prop. These options are somewhat out of the cookie cutter norm but I have seen success from both methods that I have recommended to people who are using sust or deca. I have some other options with orals but most people frown upon running double orals in a cycle so we will just skip that one for now.
That’s why sometimes I like to taper off with test prop for the last 3 weeks and even still, I wait a week after last test prop shot. I’ve learned my lesson with those long esters.
.. could you please elaborate a bit on this simonmagus84?
"I’ve learned my lesson with those long esters."
Okay I think I’m getting this and thank you for the detailed help.
So we are looking at something like:
-DBol 30 MGS daily, week 1-4
-Test sust 600 a week, week 1-10
-NPP 400 a week, week 1-12
-Test E 600 a week, week 11&12
-HCG 500 IU Daily, week 11&12
-18 days off everything
-PCT
-Nova 40 MGS daily week 1-6 of PCT
-Clomid 100 MGS daily week 1-2 of PCT
-Clomid 50 MGS daily week 3-6
Some little odds and ends to clean up. Could probably cut that nolva in half last two weeks and I would opt for aromasin over arimidex.
I don’t think my source has aromasin, is there a night and day difference between the two?
Asin doesn't affect IGF levels and is a suicide inhibitor.
Yeah, that is the gist of it. Kind of unorthodox but it is a safer alternative for those who can run a PCT and don't want the extended lag time before starting PCt. Capping at 12wks you probably don't need to run a 6wk pct. 4wks should be fine with the HCG. You don't need to pin the HCG ED. 1500mcg 3x/wk is pretty standard.