+ 1 Pip from test e 300
Hoping someone can offer advice regarding how to handle the rest of this cycle.
This is my second cycle. First being 7 years ago when I ran test e 250 alongside Dianabol. I did have pip first cycle but found pain manageable with ibuprofen and hot baths. I only injected into glutes and by the end did have scar tissue which lasted for a good while.
Since starting this second cycle the pip has been unbearable at times. After having a hot bath, I’ve heated the oil, used 25 gauge needle, injected slowly (minimum 1 minute) massaged the area thoroughly after and having now injected 6 times: once to quad, three times to ventroglute, twice to glutes, I’ve had pain each time and large lumps. They are preventing me from sleeping and my mobility is awful. Trying to work out is very difficult due to these issues.
First injection was to outer upper quad, this resulted in being laid up and hobbling for 10 days with entire quad swollen, no infection. Following injections were to ventroglutes which were also painful but nothing compared to quad.
I believe the test to be effective as I’ve had expected sides including higher sex drive and increased strength. It was purchased from a reputable source on here and that particular test has good reviews on here also.
I’m entering my fourth week and dreading pinning again, thinking about switching to delts, although this would be as quads were virgin muscle. Both glutes and ventroglutes are still painful and swollen from last shots so pinning there again (due to be this evening) doesn’t seem to be best idea.
Any and all constructive advice from experienced users would be greatly appreciated.
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Wtf? Check your source . Never had pip for one day… if it’s that bad then what are you 16 yrs old ???! Quads hurt first time but get better . I’ve had bloods done all the time and I don’t heat oil and barely any pip… source check man
JasonmcsherryAnother thing to consider is ensuring you always use good aseptic technique. Always, alcohol swabing the top of the vial before drawing, etc. It sounds like common sense but it's easy to forget sometimes. This minimizes the chance of introducing tiny amounts of bacteria that cause irritation but are not enough to cause a full blown infection.
Have been very thorough when it comes to alcohol swabbing and being sanitary throughout pinning process. If anything I’d say aspirating and feeling nervous has caused the needle to move around more than it should. I’m also not convinced the 25g 1” needle is long enough for glute shots. Was fine in delt but reckon it may have seeped into subcutaneous as I’ve had lumps in glutes for a while which would indicate it didn’t go entirely intramuscular.
Most sources I've dealt with will tell you what solvent and carrier oil they use. Perhaps you're simply allergic to one of the ingredients. TEST E is usually very pip free from most sources due to not needing alot of solvent at that concentration. Try a diff spurce.who brews different and see if it still happens. But as said before if you can't get It immediately abort cycle, PCT then start over again in the future.
Since pinned with other vial (same source different batch) into virgin delt and have minimal pip. Think not massaging post pin has also helped. Will still be switching to different brand and carrier oil when new order arrives.
Definitely sounds like a carrier oil issue as stated below. MCT for me is awesome as the body absorbs it within a couple hours. Other oils can last days to weeks.
I agree with you that could be carrier oil especially now that he said he wasn't using mct oil. However even with good mct oil test e at 300mg does give some pip.
I think typically speaking, the only higher mg test e that didn’t feature any Pip was when carrier oil was GSO or cottonseed. Mct always have me very minimal Pip but GSO doesn’t give me any.
I got ya. Yea man there a a few folks that do get pip from 300mg test E regardless of the carrier oil. I've used a former domestic src who sold 300mg test E in GSO and it gave pip to some and not so much to others. I've used test e 300 in mct with same result, I've used test e 275 in mct with no pip. When it comes to pip man I just can't generalize. Too tricky. Also we can't forget alot of test E 300 is overdosed from me looking at past jano testing.
Trying to find test e 250 from reputable U.K. source is proving difficult to say the least. Let alone finding one with correct carrier oil. Looks like I’ll need to shop internationally. Trying to find correct brand and source is a mine field --
I feel you I'm in the same boat, just my opinion but the UK domestic side is very inactive on eroids at the moment in terms of feedback and communication, which makes me uncomfortable ordering from them, I've swapped to international.
Give it a shot, it might be a little more expensive in terms of shipping but in my mind it's worth it for the wider variety of products and access to a reliable source.
Feel the same however I’m wary of shipping times more than cost given disruption to cycle. Looking at top international source now but again finding info on correct carrier oil is proving more difficult than it really should be.
Dump it. It’s not going to get better and that sounds miserable.
Would you advise switching to a different oil and if so what should I do about cycle timing in general? Have taken 30mgs of Dianabol per day first two weeks and increased to 40mgs per day now for week 3. About to go into week 4. Was planing to run Dianabol for 4 weeks and test e for 10 weeks before stating pct week 12. What’s best advice for cycle now including pct?
So this test e pip issue was a big problem some years ago. I remember folks complaining who never had pip from test e suddenly were in severe pain. Now no evidence but I believe there was a manufacturing issue out of china at that time. So that 300mg test e that you currently have, I received pip from also. It's pretty strong as testing showed my batch at 336mg. You probably need to stick to 250mg or move to test cypionate. I believe the Enanthate ester can be abrasive for some people.
Thanks for this. Would you recommend switching to test e 250 or cypionate at this stage of cycle (approaching 4th week) or should I stop cycle and if so when and how should I approach pct?
Well if you're approaching 4th week then you are close to the hormone itself peaking. I would go with either 250 test e or 250 test c or half of both but at 250mg/ml vials from respected src's, not 300mg. Now if pip insists yes you should stop. You just probably don't react well to higher test e like myself. As far as pct I'm a bit conservative..but I let the ester clear out in a month. Most say 2 weeks.
Other thing is I’m based in U.K. and would ideally like to get from U.K. source due to waiting time especially given cycle has started. Other than pip the service from well reviewed source I used was good but their selection of test e 250 is not wide so should I go for different U.K. source, or go international and wait for a couple of weeks?
I'm pretty sure you have good srcs in UK that sell good test c at 250mg. Try both at 250mg.
So I should get on and order test 250 and hold off taking until it arrives then carry on with cycle as planned: 10 weeks test e, wait 2 weeks then run pct?
Never massage area right after pinning. All you are doing is pushing that bolus of oil around and causing a ton of microtears in the muscle (i.e. trauma). Switch back to 250mg and try a different carrier oil. I would bail on cycle until you can get some different oil and lower concentration. Keep pinning those inflammed areas and you could likely get an abcess. Cycling is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, this sounds exactly the opposite
Thanks for this. I had been advised exact opposite by supplier and most videos I’ve found around pinning test e advised massaging thoroughly straight after, no wonder it’s been made worse!
If I stop cycle until new test oil arrives (if ordered today) what should I do about restarting cycle, pct etc?
Any advice on which carrier oil to use that is likely to have minimum pip would be greatly appreciated. I was hoping as you say to have fun with and enjoy this cycle and other than a few pbs (which were gratifying) it’s been quite the opposite. Sleepless, constant pain and discomfort has made for a pretty miserable start to it.
The last thing you want to do is take advice from your source
I don't know what the carrier oil is that you are using now but MCT/miglyol is the bees knees for carrier oil. That is why you see many sources switching over to it. But just like any other carrier oil some people can have issues with it. Just make sure it is something different than what you are using now. Domestic should get to you pretty quickly. Just order some now and resume when it gets here. If you miss a week of shots it is not the end of the world and would probably be a good thing to give those pin sites a break for a good week to let them heal up anyway. I personally wouldn't resume pinning until all soreness/inflammation is gone.
Only test e 250 found from trusted U.K. source has flax oil as carrier and comes in ampules. Would have preferred vials but as long as chances of getting pip are lower I’m happy to give them a go. Is this carrier oil ok in your opinion? If not perhaps I could go for test cyp instead?
Never heard of flax oil as a carrier. I guess it is worth a shot though. If switching over to test cyp you don't want to go over 200mg/ml. Test C is a little harder to keep in suspension and that is why pharma Test C is usually 200mg/ml. Anything over that will typically have more solvents which can cause pip just like 300mg test E.
Thanks. Have ordered test e 250 with flax oil carrier from U.K. supplier so hopefully will have it early part of next week. The brand is well known and reviews seem positive. Fingers crossed pip is bearable. Can’t imagine it will be worse! Very grateful for your input. This platform is superb for a relative newbie like myself.
Hopefully you're ok. But yeah I didn't realize you weren't using mct oil. But I just think you're body probably doesn't take well to 300mg Enanthate or could be carrier oil. But like I said maybe test e at 250mg or test c you should be ok. Test C at 250mg usually isn't a problem for even pip sensitive folks like myself if brewed correctly. But yea go with C at 200mg but if not, C at 250mg brewed right shouldn't be an issue. It's just with test c 250 there is a little more benzyl benzoate which is a solvent. Comes down to brewing though.
Brand used only states USP grade carrier oil, but is not specific and although there have been plenty of positive reviews on here for this exact product there’s no mention anywhere of exactly which oil is used. It could be MCT, either way pip for me was unbearable. Hoping the E250 with flax oil just ordered is less painful.
So just remember and not to be rude, it may very well be USP oil and alot of times it is, but we also know we're dealing with UGLs and not pharmaceutical so no guarantee of USP purity. Hope it works out. But keep us informed
Let us know how it turns out.
After receiving a recommendation I’ve found an mct carrier oil and placed order with international supplier. Brand is supposed to be top notch with little to no pip. Can’t wait to give it a go and update on here with results.
Will be sure to and post review. Thanks again.
Bottle states USP grade carrier oil. I’ve put up a photo of products recently. Hope I’m not breaking any rules by saying that, please let me know if so and I’ll remove comment. I know we can’t state which supplier or brand product is. Will search for MCT/miglyol from a trusted U.K. supplier. Ones I’ve seen so far don’t seem to stock vials of test e250 other than ampules which I’d prefer not to use.
A good src makes a big difference. That's strange only amps and no vials of test e 250. Good luck my man.
Thank you for this it’s invaluable info and very much appreciated. Will research, place order and wait to pin when new oil arrives.
"laid up and hobbling for 10 days with entire quad swollen" 10 days? That's some serious PIP from a straight Test E, especially at 300mg/ml.
How much are you injecting? And is this the same brand you used on your first cycle that also gave you PIP?
My guess would be you're having a bad reaction to the carrier oil or injecting a ridiculous amount, might be a good idea to figure out what kind of oil it is and try swapping to a different one.
It’s a different test and source to first cycle when I used 250, this being slightly higher concentration 300. Injecting same volume 1ml twice a week. The pain in my quad was severe and intense, other pip felt like bee stings whereas quad shot felt like I’d been stabbed.
As I’m now coming up on fourth week of cycle and due to pin again this evening where would you suggest pinning and should I order different oil and use this and suffer inevitable pip until new one arrives? Thanks for your advice in advance.
Interesting, you're also using a 25G orange needle? Are you injecting this subcutaneous or intramuscular?
25g 1” intramuscular. Have been very particular in making sure placement is correct and taking time to inject oil slowly, massaging after, heating oil before. One injection to left glute was slightly painful/uncomfortable and how I imagine pip should feel, all other shots have resulted in large painful swellings (not red or hot). To my mind they have all been administered in the same way and correctly.
So I'm guessing you're 3-4 weeks in at this point? If it were me and the PIP/swelling was as bad as you were saying I'd cut it out until you got some different oils, by the time they arrive your swelling and soreness should've subsided.
I assume you have more than 1 vial on hand for this cycle so if you didn't want to cut it short maybe try opening a different vial and trying one final shot with that, if you get the same results it's definitely the oil.
Thanks for this. About to start week 4. Yes I have two vials and will try other one this evening. Shall I try glute again which is still sore or go for virgin delt? Also considered splitting 1ml dose into two 0.5ml pins for each delt, what do you reckon?
If I did order a different test it’s likely it won’t arrive in time for next due pin (Monday morning) and if so wouldn’t that interfere with cycle and test levels? Id like to run a full 10 week cycle before starting PCT week 12.
Any new details? Just read all these comments and now I'm curious.
Continued to pin after taking a week off with same oil. Have found delts less painful than glutes and ventroglutes, not massaging post injection or aspirating has helped some. New MCT oil arrived yesterday and will be pinning it this evening. Very much hoping it’s pip free as other than this have really enjoyed this cycle: great strength and size gains, beyond expectations. Will update in a weeks time.
Hopefully he got it straightened out. Everyone is different so finding the right carrier and gear to use for your body is a solo mission. It still doesn't overcome the fact that virgin muscle is virgin muscle. My only suggestion to make is simply work your way up slowly to the amount of oil you would like to be using im each area. 50/75/100