Next Step after TRT
Hello guys,
Question about next step after TRT. I'm 51 185lbs. 5'11" work out 4x/week, been on TRT for 18 months went from 130/140/150mg cream, apply twice daily. T went from 600 to 1200 to 1975. Free T at 550.
Gym friends say T is too high, should back it down and introduce HGH and either Primo or Mast in small doses, daily to maximize growth and reduce side effects of higher T.
Q. Should I just start with 2IU of GH for a few months to feel the difference, then move to Mast?
I seem to have good absorption with the cream, if I go this new route, it look like pinning daily. Not too excited about that, but maybe it's just the next step? No Comp. Just want a leaner more muscular look as I age. Is Pinning 20mg of T daily really that much better than cream daily? I like the cream protocol, easy like deodorant and brushing teeth.
Thank you all for your help, wisdom and shit talking the new guys!
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AnonMan, where were you guys when I needed a father 35 years ago. Such solid advice, Thank You! Really. I was blown away with the support and education you guys supplied to a newbie. What a great community so far.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkHey man, I hear you. “Next step after TRT.”
And yeah, the classic brosplaining dealer at your gym flowchart usually goes:
“T too high? add GH! add Primo/Mast! profit?”
Right?
Here’s the real answer with zero bs.
If you’re feeling good, training hard, BP normal, sleep decent, and your bloodwork isn’t a dumpster fire, that’s not too high TRT. That’s just enhanced.
Like actually enhanced. Not that “I read it on eroids.com so it must be true” enhanced. Actual biological signal and labs.
So hitting 1975 total with a free of 550 isn’t a next step to fix TRT. It’s more like you already did the enhanced thing.
Now about your specific questions.
Starting with 2 IU GH. Sure. If your goal is feel better, sleep deeper, maybe nudge fat loss, then 2 IU per day for a few months is fine. Just know GH is not magic fairy dust. It doesn’t turn TRT into a superhero serum. It might help sleep quality and recovery a bit. That’s it. It’s a tool, not a cheat code.
Then moving to Mast or Primo. Adding Primo or Mast is a cosmetic choice, nothing more. You won’t suddenly fix high T problems by adding other hormones. If you want a drier look and are okay with more androgen load, more SHBG suppression, more lipid suppression, and more DHT, then sure. But medically that’s not a next step. That’s bodybuilder season strategy.
Daily pinning versus cream. Yeah, every one loves rubbing their balls, but you are going to have to get over your fear of needles if you want to run primo, mast or gh. But if your labs are all over the place, a small daily injection will give more stable serum levels. Cream works only if you truly absorb consistently, labs match symptoms, and your levels don’t bounce like Bitcoin. If they do bounce, daily pinning is objectively better even if it means more needles. Cream is a band aid, and a terrible one at that, like those shitty band aids that come in cheap first aid kits. Daily pinning is precision. Both work. One is just cleaner.
What actually moves the needle. If you want a leaner, more muscular look, it’s diet, training, sleep, and calories. None of the compounds you mentioned override that. Any talk of stacking X to fix Y without diet and recovery dialed in is internet gym bro logic. And yeah, we’ve all read those threads.
Reality check. You probably don’t need a new compound. You might need better sleep, better carb timing, stress control, or maybe a small tweak to your current dose instead of chasing the next drug combo.
Bro final exam answer. If you’re trying to impress the internet, sure, add GH, Mast, Primo, inject daily with your left pinky while chewing creatine and squatting barefoot. You’ll look extra internet buff. If you’re trying to optimize body and health long term, start with what you already have, dial the fundamentals, keep bloodwork clean, then decide if adding something actually makes sense.
If you want, post your labs and the guys here can help map out what a realistic, health conscious enhanced approach would look like over the next six to twelve months instead of whatever looks shredded on Reddit or whatever your gym dealer is trying to sell you.
AnonBodhi, great overview and delivery. It's a grind with sleep, stress, diet, work, life, etc. Those are the big levers to tackle and manage year in and year out. As mentioned I turned 51 this year and at 49 several years ago, facing 50 shortly, I came up with a Mantra I wanted to live by for the next 50 years...
1) Fit as Fuck @ 50
2) Live to 100 years old
3) Fuck like I'm 25
So over the past two years I've quit alcohol, gotten serious about hypertrophy training and treat food as if my life depended on it. I look 40 and feel 30...most days, and would like to keep trending this direction. I'm thinking of trying GH as you mentioned for sleep and recover. I've learned from you it's less about gaining size and more about overall health functions and recovery. The comment by Skinnyboy63 made sense of starting off with .5 or 1 IU of GH to get started sounds solid.
I currently pin Sermorelin with a diabetic needle sub-q frequently, but do not notice much from that. I'm not adverse to pinning, the only thing that sounded arduous was daily IM, although I can see myself trying it out with T and GH to see the difference. If I'm going to do 20mg of T daily and maybe .5 or 1 IU of GH, I believe that can be done with a diabetic needle, 28g 5/8"
When I searched for "T cream" on this forum I found a few posts that stated they felt night and day difference when they switched daily pinning from daily ball massage. The cream is just so easy: easy to travel with, fast, no mess, no equipment, etc. Perhaps I'll get used to the new daily habit.
All in all, your post was spot on. It wasn't the fashionable trending post, just hard fucking work and back to the basics bitch, just do the work! Diet is the key to it all. No magic elixirs, I am, as probably we all are, trying to thread the needle of vitality, caution, exploration and Yolo!
Do you recommend posting some labs here on this thread or staring a new feed labeled "Look at my Labs!"
DocMcGains^^This is exemplary advice and should be spread widely.
HGH and masteron have nothing to do with one another. You wouldn't move from one to another. Masteron is an anabolic steroid and GH is a peptide.
Masteron needs to be cycled (although some bro scientists claim that low dose ~100mg/wk indefinitely makes magical things happen in their lives) and GH you can stay on in varying dosages indefinitely.
Also why not just pin ur test? if you're gonna do anything else it's gonna be a deep intramuscular pin (other than GH/peptides) so literally makes zero sense to rub cream all over your nut sack and then load up a syringe and pin yourself with whatever else you take.
HGH you want to start low .5-1iu then go up slowly
1975 is a bit high for trt. The problems with the cream are it is expensive and you can unintentionally transfer it to people you have contact with. All other compounds will be injectable so if you want to add one you will be adding a injection. A daily micro injection is not bad if you're lean enough you can use a slin pin 27g 5/8" works for me. At your age a small daily injections will be fine it's not like you want to run grams. 400test 400mast for example would be .6ml a day I am doing .65 daily micro injections right now I find it to be less of a hassle than flossing. I am 42 I added gh in my late 30s and I will come off it when you pry it from my cold dead hands I like it a lot and recommend it.