Beginner TRT/Regular Cycle
It took me a while to decide where this goes but I think here fits best; I uploaded my bloodwork that started me on TRT but also have a genetic disease called Ankylosing Spondylitis and am on 40mg of Humira Biweekly with a 20mg booster shot for when flairs occur & 30mg (split dose) of Methadone for the pain and for preventative measures as an Addict in recovery free from illegal drugs. The AS condition & the Methadone are both proven to drop libido & testosterone at their core.
Testing in at 141 & 143 Total T and 22.3 Free T and no pituitary issues, I’m obviously having some sort of testosterone issue since this time 2 years ago I was in the mid 500 range with the same meds but a much higher dose of methadone.
The doctor has me on 100mg/week but recommends I go to 200/mg in a clinic or specialist setting where they’re able to do that dose as he is just the head Dr. of my PCP’s office who was willing to prescribe an emergency dose. He said to look into Nano Deca,, and if I want to guarantee kids down the line HcG to add to the Test.
From my understanding TRT at consistently low T levels isn’t a cycling thing but that’s just what I’m reading from Google that directs me to Reddit so admittedly, I know very little below the surface of what the description on the medications past the surface (I.e. I have a bunch of cialis since that wasn’t solving my ED but have no idea why it would be used as a pre-workout over traditional pre workout powder), and was wondering what you guys would think a beneficial cycle of medications would be.
With the almost month I’ve been on 100mg/week of Test Cyp and it’s been super helpful, it feels like being human again cause it felt like depression with less…depression and way more fatigue so this is going to be a life long thing and I’m wondering how to go about starting and maintaining a medication schedule/cycle.
Thanks guys,
Azn.
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There's no way to know if you even need 200 mg/wk currently. Until you get bloodwork for the current dose don't even worry about changing your dose. I'm currently on 105mg/wk and that puts me at almost 900 ng/dl and just under 190 for free test. Everyone is different though. Maybe you'd feel better on more. But bloodwork is the only way to know what's going on inside your body.
People take cialis pre workout because of the massive pump it gives you. It's a vasodilator which means it cause your veins to open up to their full potential and allow more blood to flow through. But guys generally take a lower dose for pre workout. Like 5mg or so. You can actually take lower dose, like 2.5-5mg, every day if you want to. I take 5 mg every other day personally and i still get great pumps and vascularity along with the other advertised effects.
If you live in the modern world there's nothing you can do to avoid all the things you interact with every day that negatively effect your test levels. We're talking your shampoo/body wash that has microplastics in it, your tap/shower water that has female birth control chemicals in it from when they pee it out and that water gets processed back into "clean" drinking water, using non stick cookware that you scratched with utensil, drinking bottled water or eating things you reheated in a plastic container in the microwave. That's not even a complete list of all the things you come into contact with daily that have these endocrine disrupting chemicals in them. You would literally need to go off grid if you wanted to try and keep these things out of your life. While that may not be the sole cause of your numbers dropping so far in 2 years you can be sure that it helped and that it's still hurting you.
AK80If your doctor doesn't let you do 200mg per week, then find a men's health clinic down in Florida that accepts health insurance. Lots of them don't because they are profit driven. Do 100mg on Tuesdays and the other 100mg on Thursdays.
100mg a week wont have you at 141. Get bloods.
4 years sober myself, I am in vivatrol shot and my levels are 400. Taking suboxone, methadone, is all messing with your brain and going to lower you levels. Take vivatrol it has no drug effects and curbs cravings without becoming dependent
I think it’s still risky, it’s very new in medical years lol. And we don’t know long term effects of injecting a medication like that that lasts for months. Those kinds of things always make me nervous.but probably ten times safer or healthy than subs or methadone. But if you notice you can buy naltrexone on a lot of our type of sites, it’s becoming quite popular in the bio hacking world. And it has nothing to do with the opiate blocking qualities. I believe it’s almost like a nootropic, or has some type of neurological protective benefits or helps me worry or something like that
Yea I agree it’s relatively new but has a lot of studies done and the compounds in it have no negative effect it even curbs my cravings for food, I lost like 20 pounds being on vivatrol within the first few months. Helps with cravings overall. My cousins a pharmaceutical doctor and recommended it to me after being in treatment 5th times and 4 overdoses. Vivatrol saved my life along with AA and I’m able to have no addiction to anything mind or mood altering
Ya I think for an addict any of the potential long term side effects are probably insignificant compared to the benefit for the addict. But I do think there is some level of toxicity to it since it’s not allowed to be given to pregnant women, even the naltrexone pill for as well
Yes there’s a lot of things pregnant women can’t have that normal healthy adults are able too! But definitely look into studies as well, I was super worried about it but I’m going to utilize it as a tool to keep me protected and a safeguard/ deterrent till I get 10 years. Most insurance covers it and allows you to stay consistent getting the shot once a month and being drug tested once a month. I don’t take any other medication for anxiety or anything, I used to take pysilicobon occasionally before the viviatrol to help with the negative thoughts but utilizing vivatrol for me personally has been great experience and I also have had no adverse side effects! I know some people can experience some lethargy or something but I’m pretty good and I’m happy I am since it is helping me in a lot ways. Sobriety is a tough battle and we can use all the different tools available till we find balance and peace in our lives. I just turned 30 years old. Working in tech at a high level, starting my MBA program in the fall but 10 years ago I was a heroin/fentanyl addict shooting dope everyday doing benzos. Love you all and hope you guys find the peace you are looking for I know addiction sucks and is shitty cycle praying for all of us to stay clean and healthy
Do you workout? How's your diet and sleep?
I am an ex addict. My stint was around a decade.
I got away from everything and transitioned into kratom. Methadone is some serious stuff. Just something to consider. Idk if kratom is any better tbh but I feel a lot better on it seeing as how it's natural.
I started TRT for low free with symptoms. I started at 200/MG wk. I felt amazing. Like a teenager again. I would definitely consider getting your bloodwork done and switching to a clinic with T levels like that.
I felt the need to post and warn you as an ex addict I quickly turned my TRT into a cycle. I had a higher sex drive when it was TRT before I pushed the envelope but I am still fresh and need to balance everything out.
Did you go from methadone straight to kratom?
Do you guys have this 'Spice' stuff over there which is basically a man made cannabis which induces Zombie like effects?!! Some of our cities over here are becoming destroyed by the stuff, all the homeless use it instead of Heroin etc.
It’s around but like Ross said but it’s mainly a prison or probation/parole thing since it’s fully synthetic and the compounds that get you high are sprayed on after the plant has dried. The black market prefer THC in legal states and THC derivatives or just plain old weed.in illegal states since it’s become dirt cheap and every state has a cousin state that’s 2-4hrs away from getting as much as you can afford.
In most of the US it’s either weed, alcohol, crystal or straight fent if you’ve given up on life and thankfully I was only caught in the testing process of them mixing fent into BTH and #4. The rest of the options have all been tainted with small amounts of fentanyl intentionally or not.
Ya it’s been around for a long time but idk if it’s really all that popular. It’s HUGE in the prisons tho. It used to be very different, it was just like weed and they banned the chemicals so now it’s this crazy zombie drug but I haven’t really heard of it being a big issue among street addicts only really in prisons and rehabs and places that drug test
I went from suboxone straight to kratom, first week was a bit bumpy but never looked back
Bumpy or living hell? Lol
Excruciating
Definitely took a week off work
I know
I workout but probably not anything like what you guys do cause I have 4 divots in my T section and 3 horizontal divots with a cross section divot over another divot in my L sector so it’s a lot of calisthenics and light lifting until the muscles there to lift that extra weight since I can’t throw the weight onto my back if say, I’m doing an exercise that requires good form to correctly work out the muscle. So a lot more “Spotted Training” at Physical Therapy where they have a little gym and a full size pool where they can help with a hand on my lower back and the other on my chest to finish the reps without throwing my back into the reps cause I’m tiring out. I do those two times a week and then go to the gym 3 days and then run one day.
As to Kratom I don’t know to be fully honest so I can’t speak positive or negative lol but I’m glad you’re off and doing better man. Seriously congrats man.
I appreciate the heads up man, I did notice myself looking at the fridge on that first week cause the accidental 200mg was super awesome to go from no sex no joke 7yrs, to every day multiple times two weeks ago and staying rock hard with the cialis.
What ester did you find helped the most with Hypogonadism? And thank you dude, I don’t take offense as long as there’s none intended so thank you for the warning cause I did wonder if it was just me that was maybe getting “Needle Nosalgia” from the medications.
Edit: I feel I can say this at this point since the community seems well regulated and moderated.
No sex for 7yrs because the mother of my daughter took off when she was 3 and it broke her and she stopped talking for a few weeks, wouldn’t eat until she absolutely needed to and just scary shit so it was agreed that until she could voice that she was either ok or not ok with another female in her life and only recently was she able to and ok with the idea of another woman being around.
Based on the timelines you described it seems that you got clean for your daughter as well as stuck around so good work man.
I take test cyp. My total was fine but my free was under reference range. I'm up to ED pins now. Tbh there is some needle nostalgia but it's nothing like I thought it would be. My negative associations with it are gone.
Absolutely no offense was meant, just sharing my experience hoping it could help in some way.
Good luck with it all though man , really hope it works out for you. I don't know anything about your condition but good luck with that too!
Damn bro, fuck, keep going right by your daughter man, she’ll also need you to take care of yourself as well!
Do you know what your testosterone levels are now with the 100mgs a week? And your correct that this won’t be a cycle, you will most likely take this forever, unless you come off the other meds, that are causing the hormones issues, but you’d have to get off soon. Also idk why he would suggest something like deca just for low t? Also cialis is great for a preworkout because it gives great pumps in the gym, kinda like your dick getting hard but it’s a whole body boner, something regular preworkout can’t do.
Definitely going to find some cialis, never had a whole body honer before! Sounds like it would feel amazing in the gym
Hey man,
I don’t have my current levels, I’m scheduled to go in on the 19th for my 2 month check up. Well unfortunately I’ve been on Methadone for 7yrs and Heroin for 4 years before that so if that was a theoretic ship, I’m pretty sure it sailed but in ‘22 I went from 90mg to the 30mg of methadone I’m at now, sometime during that withdrawal period would be the only thing other than aging that could’ve caused the Hypogonadism and drop in T with my Rheum & PCP coming to that conclusion besides and the Nano for the Ankylosing Spondylitis since it’s your immune system causing Spondylitis by attacking itself and the Nano is supposedly great for your joints at the cost of your liver was what I was told.
Also, that’s great to know about the cialis, 20mg tadalafil’s daily for like 6 months unused and still coming in.
Nandrolone isn't bad for the liver mate, not great for the heart in high and long doses though but thats kinda 600mg/wk and upwards.
So with a regiment of Test E/Nano Deca/Hcg at 200/250/??? and Anaz for when estradiol gets too high.
What dosage should I be taking HcG at those levels of AAS and how often should I be taking them.
Thanks Press.
You could try 250 ius maybe 3 times a week or 500ius twice a week.but I’d definitely get blood work after a few weeks on it and see if your estro or anything else is going too high. I’ve never used it on cycle personally so idk if someone else has actual experience with it on cycle that would recommend something different
Great to know as a start, thank you! Now to get a larger vial and do the math on how much BAC Water to add for that dose.
I did take your advice and booked a Blood Draw for Thursday and by then I should have received the T# & arrival of the rest of my order.
So will that be you on the 100mgs when you do that blood draw? Cus if you’ll have started the 200 per week and the hcg then I’d wait a few weeks to get those new levels adjusted. So either do it while on 100 or wait till you’ve been on the 200. Your gunna want to do it in about 4-6 weeks to see your new level, so if you can only afford to do it once then I’d wait, if you can do both than that’s great.
No it’ll be 100mg/week. Only when I try the OSgear will it be 200mg/week.
That’s great to know, I do still vape so that’s a bit scary but I’m back to 3mg/ml so I’ll be at the 1mg line by the end of summer.
So from my understanding there’s no only certain reasons for running more than one Test ester stacked at the same time for tolerance reasons and with Cyp and Enan both having similar half lives which would you recommend as the best for hypogonadism and in my situation, the best gains since working out the way you guys do would have me bed ridden for about 2-3 days so I have a much more gradual workout for gains.
Hey man I sent you a PM, if you could get back to me whenever you have a free moment that would be awesome man.
Thank you.