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Using HGH without insulin?

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There is a member here that says he would never use hgh without insulin, why is that?

j223's picture

HGH without insulin accelrates lipolysis cuz IGF-1 interrups insulin to store fat and forces body to use energy crom fats.
Why cuz your natural HGH is only secreted when Insulin is not present

HGH is only secreted when insulin is at low levels. True. BUT we are injecting EXOGENOUS HGH so there is not point to have low insulin levels when on injectable HGH. not like your body is going to produce more hgh it's already got high levels due to external intake of hgh

j223's picture

Insulin drives nutrients to muscles to grow, initiates protien synthesis

I wouldn't necessarily say it Initiates protein synthesis, but it does reduce protein metabolism.

but inhibits Lipolysis and send glucose to adipocytes where glucose converts to glycerol and then unites with 3 fatty acids to make Triglycerides stuck on your belly

HGH causes your body to use fatty acids as primary energy source, so it pretty much prevents most of this

j223's picture

yeah but the testosterone and hgh are pretty much the ones doing most of the protein synthesis. But yeah you are right. I think insulin is more effective at preventing protein metabolism (using protein for energy, instead of amino acids to construct muscle) insulin is one of the most anticatabolic hormones I could possibly think of

j223's picture

It's very simple. IGF levels rise when blood sugar is low. HGH increases blood glucose levels. Insulin brings them down.

Bottom line igf will be higher when insulin and hgh are combined. There are other benefits as well, but this is one of the main reasons.

rsp2000's picture

As the both complement each other. GH in large doses can make you Insulin Resistant although many people have provided differing anecdotal views on this. However, one thing is clear in that using them both together does amplify the gains considerably - but what also needs to be taken in to account is the danger of Insulin if you are not in tune with your body and dont respect it.

Worth it for a few more lbs of muscle?....Guess can leave that with you.

rsp2000's picture

Interesting area - many ppl swear on it being from IGF [makes sense] and many say its water and temporary. There are a number of Pro BB who had HUGE bellies in the 90s and last decade who have now retired....and their bellies seem to have gone back in size significantly. Whilst intestinal growth from IGF has been well documented - it doesnt explain how many people seem to have reverted the size. Whether this was intestinal growth + Water and the water simply goes and the Int growth was not as significant isup for debate. But what you need to bare in mind is that you need to be taking HIGH doses of GH for long periods to experience this.

j223's picture

arguably injectable IGF causes this, or ultradoses of hgh+insulin combination has a rep for causing this yes.

But that is when abused. It's kind of a genetic thing too. Also guys who take high dose hgh and insulin are probably consuming 700g protein so there is a huge amount of food digesting inside the stomach which means the stomach may protrude out. Again has to do with "abuse"

j223's picture

GH in large doses can make you Insulin Resistant

No it is true it does make you insulin resistant. This is a good thing. What is nice about HGH is it makes your cells insulin resistant (fat cells become insulin resistant) so you can run HGH and insulin and the storage of glucose in fat cells will be minimal to none.

rsp2000's picture

Agree and its this that makes.GH plus Insulin an extraordinary combination for size and strength.

j223's picture

No it is not ONLY used in people who have type 2.

No I'm thinking of INSULIN RESISTANCE. Because HGH causes fat cells to be insulin resistant!!!

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But if u inject insulin exogenus isnt that still potentiaL of fat storage?

Of course. You cannot just eat ice cream and pie and think you will be okay cause you are on HGH lol. Insulin must be part of a VERY STRICT perfectly constructed diet to be effective.

j223's picture

mmmm I don't really wanna say anything I don't know your background, stats, experience etc. I'd suggest you do more reading. It's dangerous if you do not know what you are doing.

My previous comments were only meant to answer questions, not persuade someone to use

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