posted Mon, 11/19/2012 - 21:58
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Passing off peptides as HGH
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Have you guys given any thought that someone on here might be passing peptides as HGH? I know alot of guys on here get the labs test on their IGF-1 but cant peptides raise your IGF-1 levels as well? Alot of people often think these sides are the same as HGH but who really knows besides the dealer? Just something to think about? (FYI im not talking about anybody in particular!) Food for thought....
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The anti counterfeit page can be faked easily. Telling everyone there kit is legit while its not. Putting different caps on vials. Or even the anti counterfeit stickers remade to go on the fake product. It seems there are so many fakes. But when you get some good stuff your gtg.
I think a fair amount of the "good" HGH is CJC-1295 DAC, mainly Hyges. It raises IGF and GH serum so it shows the same on bloods and it's a lot cheaper to make and buy, so the Chinese sellers knock up some CJC, label it as branded GH and sell it to the EU or US sellers, then when GH customers buy it they get the same sides(+ some extra) and same blood results.
That's just what I think anyway!!
Agree that cjc-1295 can raise igf-1 and GH serum. Disagree that hyges that are testing out are CJC-1295 and here's why. Cjc-1295DAC has been studied http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/3/799.full
This is the short version: Mean maximum concentrations of GH were 6.6, 9.6, 9.9, and 13.3 ng/ml in the 30, 60, 125, and 250 ÎĽg/kg groups" (3mg 6mg 12.5mg 25 mg for 220lb person. "IGF-I levels exceeded the age- and gender-adjusted normal ranges only in subjects receiving 250 ÎĽg/kg CJC-1295" (25 mg dose for a 220 pound person)
So the point I'm making with facts is that if your Hyges or Rips test out in 20's or above they are in fact HGH. TO get the elevate serum levels of 13 and Igf1-numbers in the upper 300's a doseage of 25mg of CJC-1295 dac was needed and that my friend is not very cost effective. Look up the cost of 12 vials(they come in 2mg vials)not cheap. You also have heavy sides at that dose (HBP,Headache,endema)
Cool thanks for the link. I bought some Hyges direct from China and they tested at 23 from a 5iu shot, I thought they might have been CJC1295 because they where so cheap. I was thinking about buying CJC from now on but never seen any results for CJC1295 bloods, now I know it would be pointless.
23 on 5iu that's better numbers than rips. That;s great. Why don't you post up and share your blood test with the community in the labs picture section. How long after you injected did you draw blood?
I didn't get them printed off, the doc told me over the phone. I got tested about 3.5 hours after I pinned. The problem with Hyges is they aren't always good, I bought from the same guy again and they were shit they weren't even vacuum sealed. Rips seem to be consistently good so that's what I'm going with next.
Anoni've had this very same thought my friend. for this reason, i don't mess with generics or any other brand that i cannot check AC codes with manufacturer to verify authenticity. my opinion...
yes but have you ever given any thought to maybe the anit-counterfit web page is also fake? Any fool can make up to what looks like a legit page? I think about this shit all the time and it has me scratching my head at times.
AnonI suppose that is possible. But if you have real deal that verifies codes along with labs, I'd assume the manufacturers site is legit. Take this one for example: www.riptropin.com
how do you know that the people making riptropin aren't selling you bogus gh? all they gotta do is put GHRP in a vial, label it HGH, and then add a anti-counterfeit sticker, and go on to their little website and make it to where your serial number is verified.
Anonbtw, i don't fk with no bunk ass generics or kigtropin. all i fk with are rips. trust me, riptropin isn't pumping out fkn GHRP!!
lol and you know this how?
Anonhere ya go, son!
http://www.eroids.com/pics/gear-depot-rips
Anonhttp://www.eroids.com/pics/muta-rips-serum-test
http://www.eroids.com/pics/baseline-labs-taken-before-the-start-of-my-ne...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/riptropin-from-gorilla-gear-47.8-serum
you think GHRP is gonna give you this sort of spike post injection?? Run the peptides for a day and then go have the serum levels ran and post!
Anonyou're obviously green as fk. go run your peptides bro. more power to you!
i don't run peptides. i've ran genotropin, tevtropin, and riptropin.
Anonthen wtf are trying to argue about whether the shit is legit or not?
just because I used it doesn't make it legit.
Woooo! Looks like someone has got GHRP rage!
JOKE!
I think Rips are legit but I THINK some brands might be CJC-1295 DAC but I've never seen bloods for CJC-1295 DAC so I'm not sure if they could raise GH serum up to 30+ or high enough to pass off as GH, but I'm pretty sure GHRP wouldn't raise serum level to anywhere close to 30.
AnonThru blood tests and occurrence of side effects. Ghrp, although will contribute to natty test production, will not contribute to a rise in gh levels in the same way exogenous gh will. Gh will be dumping the hormone into the body instantly at the dosed concentration. Have you ever heard of anyone getting aching joints from ghrp?
GHRP does make your gh serum levels rise. You can get aching joints from ghrp, because it causes your body to produce more HGH. Also, the makers of this chinese "hgh" can add anti-diuretics, which cause you to gain water weight. Did you know that holding more water can cause carpal tunnel? It's true.
Anonyou're misunderstanding what i said.. GHRP indeed DOES increase gh secretion. HOWEVER, it is not a suitable substitution for hgh when used in the same concentrations. GHRP stimulates gh secretion by first stimulating release of the hormone ghrelin. This in turn sets off a chain reaction that drives gh production.
Here's the thing: both the peptide and gh are respectively short acting in the body. injecting gh once a day WILL yeild significantly more due to the potency compared to the peptide being used to stimulate production. the amount produced with a singal injection of GHRP will not compare to the amounts that are dumped into the blood stream with a single hgh injection - bottom line. because the peptide is even more short acting than the hgh, it must be injected more frequently and in higher quantities to raise gh levels to a physically and sensationally noticable level.
i'm not knocking GHRP by any means. i am fully aware of its capabilities to increase natty gh levels. side by side, though, the doses do not compare in terms of results.
here's a post you may find interesting about this peptide:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/peptides/alternative-to-hgh