+ 10 Alternative to HGH?
Ok Guys I get lots of questions about peptides mainly GHRPs and GHRHs so I thought I’d try to make a topic that seems complicated fairly easy to understand.
Let’s start by distinguishing between these two groups of peptides, GHRPs and GHRHs
GHRP or (growth hormone releasing peptides) have the function of releasing more growth hormone in your body. They do this by increasing the secretion of the hormone ghrelin. When you say GHRP you are talking about a family of peptides that vary from each other mainly by potency. Starting with the most potent is Hexarelin followed by GHRP-2. Now these two being the most potent are the ones that are believed to increase prolactin levels and cortisol levels. I will say they are “believed” to do so because I just haven’t seen enough evidence to clearly say one way or another, but I do believe this is true. The less potent of the GHRPs are GHRP-6 and Ipamorelin these are believed to not impact prolactin levels. However I have done GHRP-6 for over a year and I DID notice an increase in prolactin levels which were supported by bloods so ruling out the possibility of elevated prolactin levels with these should not be so matter of fact. Also, GHRP-6 WILL give you very strong hunger pains post workout, almost instantaneously. So take this in mind, it’s great for bulking but a pain for cutting. So now that we are secreting more GH in our bodies what now do we need? Well We need to add a GHRH.
GHRH or (Growth hormone releasing hormone) work similar to GHRP by telling the pituitary to now release the increased GH that it has now produced. There are two main GHRH which are CJC-1295 with Dac and CJC-1295 without DAC. Starting with the CJC-1295 W dac. The name CJC implies that there is dac added. The dac works to constantly secrete GH instead of working in pulses. We can compare this to a longer ester test. With the DAC added you will need to inject less often. However it is now believed that with constant release of GH is not only unnecessary but has been found to negatively impact the body. When you have a constant GH secretion you are no longer mimicking the body’s natural habit and will cause pituitary suppression. The alternative to the CJC-1295 with DAC Is CJC-1295 without DAC. Now this can be confusing because you will see MOD GRF 1-29 this is the same exact thing as CJC without dac. Since the “CJC” implies that there is DAC added the name CJC-1295 without DAC is actually just kept around for simplicity but it is the same thing as MOD Grf. So the Mod Grf works by causing an increased pulse of GH secretion after injection, similar to the body. Since the MOD Grf will cause a Pulse after injected timing is essential. You need to inject when your body is at its highest natural GH levels. Typical times when GH levels are highest is Post workout, Pre bed, and in the morning (although I prefer to wake up around 4am and inject) I hear some people saying they don’t inject post workout because they cannot eat or drink a protein shake. This is not entirely true. It’s important not to eat Carbs post injection for at least 30 minutes because when the body breaks down carbs into its monomers, Glucose, Insulin levels will spike. Insulin is the culprit that interferes with the effectiveness of GH secretion by blunting secretion. If you have no carb protein or you eat chicken post workout this WILL NOT interfere with your injection.
So now that you know the differences between the two peptide groups let’s talk about dosing. Dosing is similar for all of these peptides and saturation levels is believed to be constant for all of them. So I will use GHRP-2 and Mod Grf 1-29 as an example but you can substitute based on your goals but dosing will be the same.
Post workout
100mcg Mod Grf 1-29 and 100mcg Ghrp-2
Pre bed
100mcg Mod Grf 1-29 and 100mcg ghrp-2
4am or early morning
100mcg Mod Grf 1-29 and 100mcg Ghrp-2
Ok, so one important thing to understand here is you WILL be injecting 6 times a day total two injections per injection time. You MUST NOT mix the peptides together in a syringe before injecting. Peptides are essentially a chain of amino acids. Peptides share the same amino acids but vary in how these amino acids are linked to one another, basically in the order that they are attached within the chain. When you mix two chains of amino acids they can re arrange their connectivity and no longer have the same function as they do separately. Remember these are not suspended in oil and should not be treated the same way you treat mixing Anabolics in a syringe.
Finally you need tom commit yourself to using these peptides for a long time. This is not a protocol that you run for 3 months to “see how it goes.” These peptides WILL work but you need to commit for at least a year preferably 18 months. Remember these peptides work by increasing your NATURAL production of GH so long term use is not a problem and coming off of them is fairly simple there will be no GH rebound. They will take a few months to really increase your optimal Natural production and you should start to see some benefits a few months in. Many guys notice that they never get sore and can work out the same body part multiple times a week, as they will increase your recovery time. There are many other Benefits of increased GH levels but I will not go over them here, this is to inform the guys on these peptides who have already done research on GH and want to use them as an alternative.
Now this only touches the surface of these peptides and they can get very complicated. Anyone with any questions about them feel free to FR me and we can talk more detailed in PM. Also Im always looking to learn more about these peptides along with others so anyone with any additional information feel free to contribute here. Thanks
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Good read especially when REAL quality HGH is so hard and expensive to get these days.
doomzzThats a good read...
I was Running lot of peps before GH..
even with GH i am running peps.
They have their own status
Are you doing it for the GH boost ?
Old post but great article !
I've always mixed the two peptides together and inject right away. I get the red flushed face from the mod grf, and the hunger from the ghrp 6. My hair and nails grow like crazy. I give myself a fade once a week, but now it's every three days. Is it just a theory or proven fact? Because is hate to think that I've wasted 3 vials of each so far
Good post bro...I looking into doing a first run with peptides. leaning toward ipam with cjc 1295 w dac don't know yet and I will admit the peptide world is a bit confusing at times but this post is a great summary!
You want to be using w/o DAC
yeah thats what i meant
GHRP's & GHRH's
dragonsfly033I write this post because I don't agree about this sentence:"When you have a constant GH secretion you are no longer mimicking the body’s natural habit and will cause pituitary suppression. The alternative to the CJC-1295 with DAC Is CJC-1295 without DAC"
There is a lot of confusion about cjc-1295 with dac and above all a lot of urban legends that are not supported by medical studies.There are a few medical studies that were perfomed using cjc-1295 with dac -I enclose links- and all affirms something different.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17018654 this study confirms that pulsatile secretion of hgh persists regardless cjc-1295 administration.So this conclusion denies hgh-bleed as many people say.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16352683 this study confirm that long term administration of cjc-1295 also at high dose is safe in heathy adults.
Conclusion:there is no other studies conducted on humans but only in mice.Take care of your health and choose by yourself if you want to undergo a cjc-1295 cycle.
Whether you agree with the sentence or not. There is no doubt that the anterior pituatary secrets GH in a pulsing manner. Therefor you are NOT mimicking the bodies natural secretion of gh. Also the study that you supplied with a link isn't very informative on how they conducted such study. It appears they only monitored the initial pulsating pattern of the gh secretion prior to injection, and again ONLY one week down the road. Now comparative to testosterone long esters if you were to inject a long ester test once and took bloods a week later it is not likely that your natural production will be completely shut down. So to say that cjc1295 with dac has no effect on gh pulse after one injection is not a very reliable study in my opinion. Most guys are not going to use this for one week. For you to say that that study concludes there is no gh bleed is ridiculous. Maybe you should do a little more reading before you try to correct someone by posting irrelevant studies.
dragonsfly033If you read carefully what I wrote you will see that I was the first to affirm that there are only a few scientific studies on cjc-1295 w dac. I only enclosed links to a few studies carried on human being. All the rest is testing ground at your own risk...Anyway could you please show me scientific clue that cjc-1295 causes gh bleeding..thanks..
Moreover could you support what you declare with scientific studies because on the contrary you are saying only bullshits and whoever wants to say crap is able to post it without scientific evidences...I am waiting your scientific clues that cjc-1295 with dac causes gh bleeding ...that it destroys pulsing gh secretion and so on ...and all the bullshits you want to post...thank you in advance my friend
southernmuscle615He's right, you dont actually want any of the cjc's.
You will get a gh bleed,which is not what you want.
You want a large pulse because GH is just a trigger for different chemical reactions. LArge GH pulses are what men have that trigger male reactions in the body
GH bleed are typical of females, which is a steady baseline of GH ..it gets even more complex but i dont feel like going through all that..
to shorten this, stick with GHRH and GHRP's
dragonsfly033Dear friend,maybe you are right, maybe all of you are right when you affirm that cjc-1295 with dac produces gh bleed but let me say one thing... can you prove it or not ? Because on the contrary all of you are saying bullshits. Please show in this thread the clues that cjc-1295 causes gh bleed. You should post medical studies, double-blind controlled studies, peer to peer studies or whatever scientific evidence to affirm this... is this clear or not ? Because when you write as you did.."He's right, you dont actually want any of the cjc's" is a totally nonsense if you cannot prove it in a scientific manner...do you understand it dont you? Every one can blab about everything but the problem is if than one can bring the evidence to support what he is asserting...there are no studies carried on human being about the function of cjc-1295 and the only two I found are a milestone about cjc's scientific literature we got. We are talking about research product never approved for human consumption so that it is hard to find scientific studies about them. Moreover who affirms that cjc-1295 can cause gh bleed have to demonstrate it reporting where he found it and who asserted it.
What I am asking you is: please post the evidence to support this statement or shut your mouth up.
Also your "long term" study appears to only have been run for 4 weeks in 2 separate studies. Doesn't seem like a long term study to me and you can't conclude that CJC with dac is safe from this study. Did you even read these before you posted the links??
dragonsfly033I have only written the conclusion that this study affirmed..."CONCLUSIONS:Subcutaneous administration of CJC-1295 resulted in sustained, dose-dependent increases in GH and IGF-I levels in healthy adults and was safe and relatively well tolerated, particularly at doses of 30 or 60 microg/kg. There was evidence of a cumulative effect after multiple doses. These data support the potential utility of CJC-1295 as a therapeutic agent."
I never said that cjc is safe but that a study conducted on human baing had considered it safe and I enclosed the links so that who was eager to read it would be able to find it easily...I am more scientific than you because I didn't say anything about cjc but only posted studies carried on it so that people could choose by themselves if use it or discharge it...unfortunately you have shown close-minded because you have blatantly asserted that it causes gh bleed without having brought a fucking evidence so I prefer not to waste my time with you
Although Dat is probably the most knowledgeable guys on peptides in general, I am not alone in this debate. Many people debate it, and until I see proof one way or another Im not taking any one side as fact. Im in Med school now and Im currently doing a research experiment on the endocrine system and im finishing up a report on testosterone, which was 50 pages LOL. Anyway, I am allowed access to any pharmaceutical drugs for research purposes and Im considering doing these peptides as my next research study. I was talking to one of my professors about it and He says IT IS possible for the chains of peptides to rearrange them selves and become dipeptides and polypeptides, that's why we have those. Anyway he said that he would help me analyze the two chains to see if there is a rearrangement of any structure between the two if I choose to do that. I will keep you guys updated for sure
good to know, im kind of getting sick of pinning 6 times a day
I had no idea you knew so much about this broski!!! Thanks for the info BIG CAM!!! BING!!! Just boosted ya one!
Thanks My Man
Good stuff bro. Looks like I could add some GHRP-6 to the mix. I might PM w/ a question or 2 after my own research.
Anytime bro. I love peptides but this combo is my favorite
phil113kgVery informative Cam. I've been using HGH for almost 8 months now and started GHRP-2 with GRF 1-29 almost two months ago. You're not kidding about the hunger pains. It forces me to eat and I can eat like a horse on it. No signs of prolactin but am concern about the catabolic effects from cortisol. You broke it down in layman's term so plus 1 to ya.
And you are using Ghrp-2 which isn't even comparable to Ghrp-6 in terms of hunger pains. Switch them up every couple months that's what I was doing. I wouldn't want to use caber long term so I switch to ghrp-6 and just rotate them
nice post bro, i just ordered a whole bunch of ghrp and cjc actually, id also like to add that the GHRP-2 will raise cortisol levels but the ipamorelin wont raise either prolactin OR cortisol, personally i stick with ghrp-6, the extra hunger helps alot
Great post Cam, I never understood peptides and this post explained a lot of information in a straight forward manner. Since we are already friends I may pm you with a few questions. Thanks for sharing! Imaginary+1!
I always used them in the same syringe. I'm sure it still worked. I would inject at night, then wake up the next morning with numb hands for a few hours. I think its igf you are thinking of that cannot be mixed in same syringe.
I had all the benefits such as quick recovery, increased hunger, growing pains in the bones and joints and complete numbing sensaiton in hands, wrists, fingers, even my ankles.
There is differences in opinion on whether mixing them in the same syringe is ok. Understanding cell biology it is possibly for the amino acids to change structure. Obviously no one has mixed the two then analyzed them but I'm not going to risk it. Slin pins are too cheap to risk it IMO
You can just leave a small air bubble between the two. When you're ready to inject, give it a hard shake to mix the two, then push out the air and away you go.
Used for 4 months then ran out of insulin syringes. I will be getting more as well as more ghrp/ipam.
I found after 3 months your body gets more used to the peptides and hunger decreases as well as numbing decreases but I will be using for the next year however to find out. Switching from ghrp-2 to ghrp-6, to even ipamaorelin then back to ghrp2. I will also be trying out cjc WITH DAC. I have heard good things saying people notice the GH benefits more so than with cjc no dac. Also would be nice to only pin cjc 2x per week.
Anongood post, bro! i'd def bump ya on that if i could. keep 'em coming, and don't forget to send over some of that fried turkey!
Thanks Bro, But that turkey is all mine LOL
Anonyou greedy bastard!! lol
samick94great post! thanks again for answering my questions!!
Anytime My man