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it kind of seems to me that most guys on here are in a contest to see who can get the most blood work done and provide the most lab reports on GH. maybe to get karma or maybe to actually be helpful and show others that the product is good or bad. or maybe there just pumping up there source and how cheap they are and how fast they ship, I cant say for sure. im all for the blood testing to show the GH you got is real but dam! id kind of like more guys to chime in on how the product is making you feel and what its doing for you. maybe use the mirror to actually see if your GH is working and get in touch with your body so you can really tell us about the product. im not knocking serum results or igf #s those things are great, but they don't mean shit if that's all your using the product for, for numbers. I gess id just like to hear more real world results talk.
thx gang.please forgive my shitty writing, this lil tablet keyboard is hell for me. im half blind and play hell seeing this thing.
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bigwillywith the recent panic about most GH being just a combo of peptides to mimic the sides of GH and even rais blood levels to look like GH can you guys see how important this post really was now. as you can see the bloods arnt even trust worthy now. the only real proof is results, cut n dry like it or not !!!
even the guys that want to disagree with everything cant argue with results. no peptidecombo on earth will yeld the same results as 6 ius a day for 6 months of real growth hormone.
What about a mass spec? Wouldn't that tell you? How much powder is actually needed for a test?
bigwillyyea it would tell ya what you have is actually hgh, but I don't think it will tell you if the gh is actually worth a fuck. heres a fuck load of other testing that needs to be done to tell ya if what ya have is actually good usable gh.
Bro you are alwuys so damn skeptical of everyone's intentions lol. I'm gonna be honest, and this might sound selfish but my number one reason for getting bloods done is to make sure the shit Jackie chan sent me is actually fucking gh and not sugar. The benifit to the community is just a plus. I will never use a new brand of gh and not get blood work I hate wasting my time using bunk shit. With that said I should get my results back today for some igf-1 numbers lol. On another note I fucking hate giving blood I hate when they put that damn needle in my vein I wish there was another way but for as long as I use non pharma gh this is what has to be done.
bigwillyAnd i truly appreciate the guys that pay to have this stuff tested. I'd love to be able to have some better testing done for some of this shit coming out of china.
Hell ya I would much rather do that. That's the best way to go. I would glady do it if it was the same price as blood work. But gh is very tricky to test I've heard atleast with mass spec. It can be a full 10ius in the vial but it has no bioavailability and the test can't determine that. I'm sure there is a way to do it tho.
bigwillyBack in 2007 ish bro it was buy it use it then tell about it, lol.there was no eriods and the online forums back then wer trash.hell people still got gear from the back of BB magazines.lol. it's just very seldom do ya see a guy on here really spilling the beans about the product, unless he didn't like hahahaha
You could get gear in the back of a magazine lol?? Well overall I like the fact thay people do bloods I trust that more then a lot of people's judgment on the product quality. Lot of these people are just happy they actually got something in the mail and it looks nice. Placebo effect kicks in and all of a sudden it's "fire" or "g2g" lol. I've bought gear based off stellar reviews and ran the shit felt it was horrible then did bloods and it confirmed my suspicions. Recommendations from people for the best of this or that and it turns out to be crap. Bloodwork doesn't lie. I was just talking to a guy who was getting all the typical sides from gh and he pulled bloods and it was at best a ghrp or cjc based off the minimal increase in igf-1 . if you talk to guys who use those peptides they will tell you they feel the same sides of gh. The chinese are some sneaky mother fuckers I don't trust them. If igf-1 is past a certain point you can almost be certain it's legit cause peptides cannot raise levels much at all. I would much rather not spend the 72 bucks for an igf-1 test on top of the kit of gh but it's necessary with the crap generics that dominate the market.
Or just buy pharma. Problem solved. At some point hopefully I'll be able to afford that and I won't need to do blood work to verify it's legit.
bigwillyYep a magazine.hahahahaha. or triple the price from the guy at the gym. Alin and naps used to sell that way.lol
lol thats so insane. idk how thats even legal to do. I remember when first started lifting i would see the ads for the "legal steroids" and think it was real. Dball and decadrol etc. 700 dollars for a stack lol. And ya i know all about gym prices theyre still 3 times the internet prices.
bigwillyNaa bro i agree with ya. I'd just like to here more about the products after the results show good. You'll see a guy post his serum results and that will be the last ya about the shit. I can't stress enough i support and encourage testing, but is that the end ? Let's here about it 4 months in ya know? What's the mirror telling ya, how do ya feel, what effects has it had on ya? Not you directly dog just people in general.
I would be cool if there was a way were you could post an update on the pic you posted in months past and it would reappear. Sure I could go in an edit my pic 2 months later and say they worked great but I don't remember what you bought or he bought. So it would be cool if you could post an update or someting along those lines other then a review of the source cause once again I don't have it stored in my brain thay willy bought yellow tops 4 months ago or he bought green tops and I need to look out for that review. Not sure if I'm making my idea clear but in my mind it sounds good lol.
bigwillyIt could be done and that would make a picture really worth a thousand words.lol
Numbers don't Lie
bigwillyYes they do. There's a big hand full of reasons a serum test could be low or high. That's not what I'm getting at though. I whole heartedly support testing but at the same time I beleive ya should put as much effort into talking about and discussing the product and it's effects.
Descriptions of use are subjective...blood tests are completely objective (besides user error). How one person responds to a compound can be completely different to hoe another one does. I agree with you that long with the test there should be some description and results but igf/serum is the tell tale sign and what I ultimately look for before investing gh
bigwillyOh no i agree.its what will push ya in that direction. I just would like to hear how this product with such high serum level results is working for ya. Again I won't knock testing, he'll most of us shop off people's test results. However I do believe in the old how ya feel and what the mirror tells ya method. Keep in mind this testing spurt or wave wasn't how we judged GH 8 years ago. We bought it and used it and talked about what it did for us. Because as you said above, roughly, because you got a good serum result from a product don't mean i will get the same results. No 2 people are the same and even the same person isn't the same 24 hours a day.