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I'm curious how many people have decided to do TRT even with their T levels within the normal (but low side) range and if it makes a difference in quality of life.

For example. If someone were in the 400-500 range feels ok, but not great. You know you feel great jacked up on high test amounts but if TRT gets you from 400-500 to 600-800, does that really make much of a difference on quality of life (libido, well being, etc).

klon's picture

There is nothing normal about the lab reference range. Is has nothing to do with health. When a lab adds a test they must establish a range for the analyte. They use a reference group of their patients, run a statistical analysis on the population based on the 95% confidence interval and a reference range is created.

Since young, healthy men are generally not getting tested, the reference range is skewed toward the ill. Only 2.5% of the population will have levels lower than the older, sicklier population in the reference group.

So, regardless of age, total testosterone levels less than 550 ng/ml are generally associated with increased mortality and morbidity.

You should also evaluate
Cortisol
Thyroid
Hgh
Estradiol

Aglift's picture

Hey Klon, that post describes exactly what I was suspecing regarding normal ranges; sampling bias.
I have been trying to convince my father to seek testing. He simply can't seem to lose a lot of weight. Its like his BMR is half of what it should be. I know, thermogenics, calories in calories out. Hes working his ass off in the gym and eating right (270lbs, eating ~2000-2200cals/day). He's on a rediculous amount of drugs for high blood pressure and all kinds of other obesity related bullsh!t.

Anyway, he is a scholarly man and would be persuaded by any sort of study. He has complete faith in his doctor and their 'normal ranges'. If anyone could provide a link to an article detailing or at least alluding to the above posted I would be much obliged.

mk50's picture

I tested low 320ng/dl and t4 was off too. My doc put me on synthriod for hypothyroidism it brought my test levels up to 385 and she said that was good enough. I have been on a blast cruise for the last year and while I have gained muscle lost fat and had my libedo go through the roof I can honostly say I really don't feel any better. I do blood work regularly to make sure estro is in check and that test levels are where I want them (800 on cruise) but still I feel like I should have more energy and drive. Maybe I have over looked something but at 52 yo I think I should feel better than I do.

laleo's picture

Mine was on the very very bottom of the "normal" range. My wife pushed me to get on it, because she said our marriage was turning into "The Ropers" from Three's Company. She was chasing me around and I was faking headaches. It was hurting our relationship.
My life has changed dramatically since then, and the roles have reversed. I feel better in just about every possible way. Only issues I've had is oily skin and body breaking out.
First Dr I went to told me to take Zinc but refused to give me any T because I was still "Normal", WTF. Second one was more about making me feel good and helped me out.
Bottom line is its made a huge difference in my life and potentially saved my marriage (or at least kept it on track).

crayon's picture

Wow 1200 i bet you feel awsome!

crayon's picture

Mine was 385 last time i checked so TRT has definitely crossed my mind, only thing is im 22 and i would like kids some day so i want to hold back on trt. Although on 385 i do feel like shit so trt is very tempting

crayon's picture

My thyroid was 1.5 on a scale of 1-5, for some reason the doctor didn't let me see the other results :/

Cam2012's picture

For me I was on the extreme low end naturally, around 100-200. I have bloodwork that I put up here of my natural levels. For me trt definitely changed my quality of life lol. The thing is you're not going to find many guys that are going to use an amount that puts them between 600-800. My trt is 250mg/week and .25mg adex eod and I feel amazing. I'mActually doing bloods in a couple days to see where 250mg/week puts my levels

crayon's picture

250mg is alot for trt i bet its going to be 850+

betheman's picture

I just posted this....1 cc a week of Test C from Hullk or Big D's Test E 300...too much for me....

http://www.eroids.com/pics/damn-it-big-d-and-hulk

I'm coming down to 1/2 cc a week. Will re test in about 4 weeks.

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crayon's picture

I had a look and damn that was some strong testosterone you had! Lol. Also i sent you a FR i got a few questions about running your own TRT if you wouldn't mind helping me out abit Smile

betheman's picture

Accepted.

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Cam2012's picture

I know thats a lot but 1000 level test isnt bad, my doctor is ok with keeping me around 1000 all year round

Drywallstar's picture

Im interested in what people have to say about this