posted Wed, 09/05/2012 - 05:24
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The prospect of TRT
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I'm 32. Looking to do my first cycle very soon. If I do everything right (AIs, HCG, PCT) can I effectively avoid TRT in my later years?
Or does TRT just come with the territory of long term steroid use? Your thoughts?
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There is one way to properly do two cycles per year but you have to like pinning . You can do short 8 week runs with short ester compounds such as test prop and npp for like 8 week cycles plus pct , plus time off puts you at around 20 weeks per cycle or so.you really have to like needles and a lil more pip to do this. But I wouldnt recommend it for a first cycle because it must be injected at least eod to maintain test levels. I can guarantee that if you choose not to run pct that you will be on try prematurely ( cause that is what happened.to me) prior to finding eroids I ran a test only cycle and then ran a test deca cycle with no pct . My test levels crashed ( 61) and now I'm on try. Listen to these experienced guys they know what they're talking about
I don't think anyone has a crystal ball clear enough to predict the need for TRT until you age, geeze just think about all the variables. I suppose you force your body to be reliant on external drugs you'll pay some price. I do believed there is tremendous alum in allowing your body to reach its normal unsupplmented homeostasis before starting a new cycle. I'm 54 I see guys outside te gym who I wanna approach and ask ave u ever had ur testost tested cuz I can look at u and see its low. Then there are guys my age who look great. Who can predict.
Your statement/question doesn't make a lot of sense. You are looking to do your first cycle very soon. Hello, that's TRT, really, in all practical respects. I'm 55 and started TRT about 6 years ago through a doctor. It was amazing, just walking down the street I experienced a sense of well being and vitality that I didn't know I was missing. So subtle are the effects of gradually reduced test levels over time.
Are you not going to continue with AAS cycles? Is this going to be your only one? I would sort of doubt that, so why concern yourself with the ... "stigma" of TRT.
Just for your clarification brother - TRT I speak of = Involuntary TRT. Meaning TRT required due to the body's inability to produce natty test. The question pertains to whether long-term use of AAS eventually leads to 'involuntary' TRT.
Not everyone wants or needs to be on AAS for the rest of their lives - goals may change over a lifetime. Also - producing 'things' naturally is always best - just my opinion. Whether it be economic factors or through general risk-aversion.
I don't elude to any stigma of TRT. I would simply prefer to produce testosterone naturally and at adequate levels natty, if and when I decide that my goals are met via AAS and I now want to maintain certain goals later in life naturally.
Does prolonged AAS - no matter how expertly or carefully/diligently you apply it over long-term use - ultimately/inevitably lead to 'involuntary TRT'. I wanted to gauge by people's experiences here.
I am trying to amass knowledge of consequences of AAS - positive, negative and neutral.
As will age I'm hearing. Moreso than AAS. What I'm curious is if there are any relatively younger men out theer that are on TRT and feel that they are a little ahead of their time dude to AAS use? What would they do differently if anything?
Unfortunately, part of the aging process includes the lowering of hormone levels. You may hasten your need for TRT because you cycle, but you can't avoid the eventuality. Testosterone replacement is something you may or may not chose to do when you reach that point. However, given your test usage right now I highly suspect that you will want to eventually jump on the bandwagon. The issue really is a genetic one thrown in with some environmental stuff as to when you will need TRT, not IF.
Thanks K - I guess eventually - everyone may opt for TRT regardless - but pro-longed use of AAS may accelerate or cement the need for TRT to maintain a healthy or balance sense of wel-being.
Just trying to soak up as much knowledge about AAS and its short and long term considerations.
I was on TRT before I did a cycle. My Test always returns to the normal level (about 250 natty) It has stayed that way for quite a while so I would say that there is a possibility that you can shut down but a good PCT will help prevent it
56tooaas is not really the reason why people do trt. As we age we start to produce less and less testosterone. Its just part of the organisms function (to die).We are designed to be born reproduce, to continue the species then deteriorate til death. Thats why most men u see on trt are older
StevebI saw a documentary where a guy did steroids for 25 years and he always cycled off correctly. So he would only do one cycle a year and all of his natural levels were fine. He was actually in great shape for his age but it seemed like he was only doing Test.
This sounds promising...
Assuming you regain natural/near natural levels then yes, you can avoid TRT.
Check out this post (http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/can-steroid-ab...)
My plan is no more than two cycles per year. With HGH therapy in my off-cycle periods. I have goals of repairing my broken body (multiple sports injuries and major surgeries) and of course improving my overall physique and well being. Now, from the perspective of a veteran, two cycles per year, is that considered conservative at all???
The general rule for running cycles, as i'm sure you know, is:
Now, lets say you choose to indulge in a 12 week cycle, which carries a 4 week PCT, thus the total time frame where your hormone levels will be abnormal in comparison to prior natural levels is 16 weeks. Additionally, supposing that you chose against acquiring blood results, this will result in a 16 week 'time off' period. Thus, the total time frame for a single cycle to commence and be finalised is 32 weeks. Therefore, following the aforementioned key points, on the basis of a 52 week year, one can indulge in (52/32=) 1.625 cycles. In Layman's terms, you can run 1 cycle completely (this includes time on + PCT + time off) + (5/8 =) 0.625 cycles, which means you can run the 12 week steroid cycle + 4 weeks PCT + 4 weeks time off (32*0.625) in a single year, with a remaining 12 weeks of time off period to be carried forward into the next year.
To answer your question, following the 1.625 cycles a year, you are likely to be fine. Of course, people find that after single cycle with PCT and time off, their levels are close to natural, in the same way in which another person may find that they will be completely reliant upon TRT/HRT after their first cycle. What i have tried to illustrate here is that everybody is different - and the assumption that the time off period will, in most cases, return an individual to 'normal' hormonal levels.
zewi+1 from me!!!
This is a fantastic reply thanks so much! If I could +3 you I would. Gives me a great perspective on what time on and off really is.