+ 1 OVER 40 AND NATURAL?
Most of the docs and people all around tell us that people like me (over 40 years) should stop roids or run only a very low dose Test E or even U (horrible suggestion) only.
In my opinion: Totally wrong! If you're 40 or older yes I recommend a low Test E or C dosage too but combinated it with a good GH and SARMS dosage.
Sarms? Yes I was also never a friend of sarms but MK677 in combination with YK11 works excellent.
I personally have here a few examples for solid cycles:
Test C 100mg / week
MK 677 40mg / day
YK 11 10-20mg / day
GH 2-4 IU / daily
Test E 100mg / week
MK 2866 20mg / day
GH 2-4 IU / daily
Cycle I personally run:
Test C 200mg e10d
Turinabol 40mg / day
GH 2 IU / daily
Especially for this cycles its important to have good legit stuff and I'd always use only pharma GH here, there are a lot of good GHs on the market but lets be honest, pharma grade = pharma grade.
Going off?
Yes sure u shouldn't run all these compounds 12months per year so I recommend following 16-20 week break where u can / should following stuff:
Test C 100mg / week
75 HMG / 2x week
250 HCG / 2x week (I don't prefer more cause the E2 could go out of range and AIs are never good, bad for joints, bad for constant Test levels...)
I don't recommend Clomid or Tamoxifen at this age, I recommend never these both compounds, sides are crazy!
I know everybody has a different opinion regarding +40 cycles, these are only my examples and I hope it helps a bit if u plan to reduce your cycle too!
Few facts:
-Testosterone keeps your libido high
-HGH keeps your health care and skin young
-SARMS have way less sides than oral steroids like dbol or drol
-HMG/HCG keeps your natural LH/FSH levels stable
- Test and also HGH can reduce depressions up to 85%
- Against anxiety during the recovery cycle u can use low amounts of Selank
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I dont lead towards anything pep or experimental as i age when theres clear posted science on gear. Especially when the pep sides show cancer etc. Why complicate info from 1935 til current with the newest fad? The newest steroid is primo from the 70s.
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Respect for sharing your experience, but I gotta say I don’t fully agree with the approach—especially when it comes to SARMs and stacking MK677 with GH.
MK677 + GH? Doesn’t make much sense to me. MK is a GH secretagogue, great if you’re not already on GH. But if you’re pinning legit pharma GH, stacking MK is pretty redundant and can just lead to unnecessary water retention, insulin resistance, and appetite issues. Not worth it in my opinion, especially long-term.
SARMs? Man, honestly, they’ve been sold as a “safer” middle ground for years, but in the real world, most guys end up disappointed. Sides are still there (suppression, cholesterol, liver strain), but the gains are weak compared to real anabolics. If you’re going to use something suppressive, might as well go with something that actually delivers. To me, SARMs are just a fancy label for underdosed orals that don’t justify the risk/reward.
If you’re a conservative “old” guy over 40 looking to stay lean, strong, and functional long-term:
Test C or E: 100–200mg/week, whatever dose keeps your total test between 900–1100 and your free test healthy
GH: 2–3 IU daily before bed – that’s more than enough to support skin, sleep, recovery, fat loss
Monitor bloods. Stay on top of hematocrit, lipids, BP, fasting glucose, PSA, etc.
Blasting? You can get creative—run low-dose blasts here and there, just don’t abuse it. Know your recovery time, respect your health, and get back to your baseline afterward. If you want to throw something in, honestly, Var or Anadrol (even low dose) is miles ahead of Tbol in effectiveness and muscle fullness, especially for older guys.
At the end of the day, everyone’s different. There’s no single “over 40” protocol—but trying to mix GH, SARMs, low test, and HCG all at once just overcomplicates something that can be kept simple, safe, and effective.
That’s just my take. I’d personally rethink the strategy a bit—cut through the hype and focus on what truly aligns with your goals, long-term health, and how you actually feel on-cycle.
anvilMK at 40mg?
Sarms at 40 ? Why use the complete unknowns rather than steroids have been around forever and some have human studies?
YK11 0 human studies ? How do you know the sides?
TBOL age 40? One the least effective orals with a 17a to beat up your liver? And a study about how it interacts brain cholesterol hydroxylase, given a rise to phycological issues in patients. No thanks Anavar all day
I agree with a low dose test and GH at over age 40, if your goal is overall health.
trash300I accept your argumentation, after 13 contests and 25years steroids I feel well with this cycles,I never wrote its for everyone...
But +1 for your good context!
anvilMutual respect! National level, amateur? I have never competed but envy those who have.
Just my feelings on the subject since we are the same age..
Yk 11 doesn't absorb for shit orally.
Basically a waste if its not injectable.
But some people I've spoke to about it in inject form say it's pretty powerful, sr9009 also supposedly way better than cardarine.
I'd have to try for myself though.
The people who told me about the yk11 inject though i believe.
anvilYeah agreed, I only know I few who used it and it was highly inflammatory on blood work, but was just 2 people. Both used oral. Stuff isn't cheap inject or oral. I am by no means stating it doesn't work but the claim it is "has way less side effects" when no one even knows what they are. Also what @smurfdude1234567 says about cyp dosing ? 7-8 days the best you gonna get outta cyp unless its in castor oil then maybe stretch it to 10 days but its gonna basically be metabolized before than and I don't know any source using castor oil so it has to be pharma, and we aren't using pharma if we here buying gear??
Yeah i have no clue about sides with the yk.
I don't think the dudes i spoke with cared much about them either. Lol. All they cared about was setting new PR's cuz they were power lifters. They said it worked though.
Is deff to much for me. I was checking out the prices for it in inject and it's not cheap for sure. This one dude on discord makes his own inject sr9009 though. He likes it.
Even with castor or even a week between dosages those highs and lows are going to be there lol. I think there’s more than enough anecdotal and clinical evidence to prove even longer esters are more stable injected more frequently. I’m still struggling to find why this was posted.
Don’t forget at the bottom he states “SARMs have WAY less sides than oral steroids.”
went ahead and lumped em all in safer with zero research or comparisons.
Broscience as fact.. everything we try to prevent from being bought as true knowledge or advice.
Unless you’re injecting SR9009 cardarine is more efficient 100%
Oral SR9009 has a VERY LOW absorption rate vs 100% injected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sarmssourcetalk/s/5WGYo7pNCy Great discussion about SR bioavailability including statements from the founder and creator of SR9009- Thomas Burris. (Look up SR9009 Thomas Burris for full article and studies.)
Maybe you’re thinking of the newer more bio available SR9011? Still not as good as cardarine imo.
Injectable YK is the nuts- I was legitimately very happy to be shocked by it. I’ve been trying to get a certain candy man to bring it back for months now.
anvilHe was saying both
"But some people I've spoke to about it in inject form say it's pretty powerful, sr9009 also supposedly way better than cardarine."
That's exactly what i said about that and the yk
Ahh I gotcha brother! Apologies! I thought you were saying people said sr was better than cardarine and assumed you meant the orals. Inject very well could be I’ve never tried it. Oral is trash.
100% agreed. No offense to the creator but this is harmful information especially with a “CC” tag.
Dosages, drugs, and protocols are not optimized imo.
10 days between cyp doses? You just like unstable levels?
“SARMs have less sides than roids” talk about spitting broscience as fact.
What human trials did you base that opinion on? ALL of them?
Sounds like you may be new to sarms and on a pink cloud?
Christian ClarkeLets not skip over the fact that the OP takes test cyp every 10 days lmao:
"Cycle I personally run:
Test C 200mg e10d
Turinabol 40mg / day
GH 2 IU / daily"
Bonkers. They used to give CC tags out to people that copy and paste I guess.
Christian Clarke40mg of MK677 is WAYYYYYYYYY too much.
Recipe to become extremely fatigued & unmotivated extremely quickly
Christian ClarkeHAHA, more like a proticol to make you fat, bloated, and diabetic. I agree with you on the fact that he would become "extremely fatigued & unmotivated extremely quickly"
Bodybuilding is a beauty pagent, which is why I find it funny when guys take drugs that make themselves look worse.
MK is a really useful drug when dosed correctly it mimics 2-3IU of GH beautiful. Diabetes/fat gain/bloat are all risks that can be easily mitigated if you’re eating correctly, but starting anything coming from natural at a high dose is wild to me.
I also rarely run for longer than 6 weeks as some studies have started to show diminishing returns on production after prolonged use.
anvilIt definitely didn't make me want to eat like a bodybuilder LOL
Good post buddy!!
How are you keeping mate, are you doing well?
trash300Thanks brother, all fine, running a bit gear and doing 2 times cardio per week working great for me, the surgery probs I had are gettin' also better and better, I pay all by myself but its worth every single dollar, hope you're fine my friend!
I am really glad to see and hear you are doing much better mate, that is brilliant. Do you not get free healthcare where you are like in the UK? I bet that has ended up costing a lot of money bud!!! You seem much happier now
trash300Yes if you're self employed u have to pay a high ensurance fee, and a lot in my therapy program doesn't cover the regular ensurance but yeah I feel much better, blood works first time fine since 8 years and mood much better/optimistic. The death of my wife is already also a part which I start to 'accept', I see ...that's life...we come and we go, nobody knows when and why.
Happy u remember me my friend!
Oohh Mate I am SO sorry to hear about that - I didn't know she had died. Was this after what happened to you when you were in hospital and things? Of course I remember you buddy, we had many good chats way back - I am glad you are back mate, there are many good people on here now if you just hang around the forums you'll get to know people
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