+ 6 New guy and Probably the oldest guy here
66 years, 170#, 5'7" and while I have never been a competitor, I have been lifting off and on for the last 40 years just to maintain health. Just in the last 4 to 5 years, have been going downhill rapidly. Not able to increase lifting weights, easily injured, joint pains and worst of all, sex was down to about twice a week, sometimes a whole week without. The bothersome thing was listening to my wife accusing me of neglecting her or having a girlfriend.
Just started Test about two months ago. Had ten pellets of cristalized Test C implanted with a booster shot. Just turned my life around! Also taking 2 iu of HGH but cant say anything good about that. 100 iu's of Blue tops I got from the manager of my gym for 700 bucks. Just ordered RIps from a source on here, hoping for better results on that.
Since I started Test, all my weights at the gym are up 30 to 40%, losing my belly and at last, finally adding muscle!
I am going to add injectable Test and bump my levels up to the maximum recomended range. It was down to about 260, not too bad but I'm used to more. The first two weeks after the booster, life was great. I am thinking like an adolescent again, obsessed with pussy and able to do something about it.
Love this forum, been reading for a while before I joined, lots more to learn.
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May he rest in peace
I assume you're simply acknowledging that he's been gone, but my initial thought to ask you was, "Any details you are able or willing to share are appreciated." However, now that I've reread the comments below, I simply assume you're joking about the MIA part too.
Let's just hope that he's MIA cuz he's out crushing life, banging his old lady like a stallion, and living life to the fullest indeed. That's the mythology I'll construct about his absence!
Shelby, I know this is an ancient thread but wondered how you are doing....hit 65 in Dec.
He has been MIA since May of 2013.
...May he rest in peace
Maybe he's trapped on a Nigerian oil rig and some long lost uncle of mine is tying up all the bandwidth.
You fuckers are cracking me up.
It's a tough crowd in here, ............. half them are snoring real loud.
theseeker03what's your opinion on best way to burn 'old guy' belly fat?
BiglouieAwesome! Thought I was oldest guy dooing the deal.
Thanks for the motivation. I just started using gear at 47. I'm a martial artist, so I started out just combating what age has brought me with a simple anavar cycle, then some SARMs, clen... ...and on and on. Plan on doing a Test E / TBol / Var cycle for winter. I'm not looking for bulk, just strength and low body fat.
The thing is I look better than I ever have even when I was younger competing. I'll keep going for my next 20 years and see what happens.
Old IronI would stick with the Test-E (enanthate) it will help with the joint pain, somethings like winstrol are joint killers,and remember your still 66, ever though your dick is 16 again. If you injure yourself now it may be unrecoverable, just be careful. glad you pulled out the age card, I don't fell like the guy that' not tool old just too old for "the club".
Hello shelbyclay,
You do have me by a few years (21) but I've also been lifting for over 30 years myself. I've competed in the Scottish Highland Games in the Heavy events (on a circuit), and played Rugby at the Nat. level. I've done diet, exercise, and Rx programs for Pro and Semi-Pro Bodybuilders and Power lifters as a helping hobby.
I'm new to this board, but have used the site for sources for a couple of years. From the looks of it (reading your post) you're on the right path, including your future intentions (now that it's May). The only other thing I would do to your current regimen is bump your HGH to 3i.u.'s. and split that to, a.m. and afternoon shoots at 1.5 i.u.'s, If you plan to go long term on Growth, then I'd recommend a peptide, like Tesamorelin or Sermorelin to get your own pituitary to produce/excrete, even though it's just a pulse. If you can afford to stay on real HGH long term, by all means, your choice.... then try thebestsourcehgh.com
I'd also add some Deca Durabolin - 1cc. just to "lube the joints" a bit. No need to go crazy here, it's about longevity my friend. What do you consider you "maximum recommended range"? I would say that is the 800 to 1,000 ng/dL on your lipid panel. Any more than that and you could also see changes in your psa levels, among a few others.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'd be glad to help.
Take care,
B.
BigBond007
New public group on anti-aging: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/
silat, i would get some blood work done to see what your levels are at and if the sust you have is legit. you should have seen some nice results at 500mgs a week of sust. i dont advise taking the dbol the way you are. just use it the first 4-5 weeks ED and then drop it. the 5lbs you gained when you started using it again was from water. get your thyroid checked, that could be preventing you from gaining some muscle as well by messing with your metabolism. if this is your first cycle in 20 years, i would hold off on the TREN. its pretty potent stuff and if in fact your sust is real and you are not gaining anything from it then there has to be some other issue there. TREN will not act as an AI and even proviron is not something that should be used as an AI. yes, it does have anti estrogen effects but not something i would use as an AI. besides, you want to watch your prolactin levels on Tren having letro/caber on hand. i would highly recommend you going with EQ over the tren for your second cycle. it will give you the goals you are trying to reach of ripped, improved endurance, etc. I'd add in 600mgs a week of EQ. how long do you plan on running this cycle for? EQ needs to be ran for at least 12-14 weeks to see its true benefits and if you are already into week 8, id ride this one out, and then plan for the next one. as i said, get blood work to check your levels first. check your E2, always have an AI on hand, you may not have needed one before but doesnt mean you dont need one now. if you suddenly get the feeling of gyno setting in and have nothing, you are screwed. check your diet as well, make sure you are getting adequate protein in there as well. maybe try a different brand of products as well. good luck bro. let us know how it goes.
I have never been a fan of SUS....I had a sheet a long time ago where I worked out the time frame of the ester mix and to maintain a steady blood level is damn near impossible unless you do EOD...prop ends, then the other esters and its just a roller coaster....I know everyone swears its the bomb but all I can say is work it out on paper and see what it looks like...I say Prop in the beginning and at the same time CYP/Enan and once they kick in drop prop...just me..the old tapper on tapper off cycles I think have been proven in effective....again just from my personal research
Total agree on Dbol and tren....Tren is AMAZING stuff but every green lawn comes with a high price to maintain.....in other words the potency of tren doesn't come without sides....and I believe in running dbol with Tren for the conversion...tren + estrogen = muscle if you want to add more bulk muscle if you want to gain solid cut tren + winny ....I always run some sort of test with tren even if low dosage.......not literally inject estrogen but there are allot of medical articles on the synergy of the 2 if you can balance them..:):)
I think you have some solid advice bro
You're absolutely right... SUS is just a fancy way of making sure the level is all over the place! Great for marketing though!! ;-)
Thanks Shelbyclay and Randy52 us younger guys love to see you here !! Please give us progress updates !!
Still here and still fucking enjoying life and lifting heavy weights...:)
Thanks man. Things are going well, still taking Test Enthan 600 a week and 2 ius of growth hormone daily along with supps. Muscle growth and abds are freaking me out. lol....gotta get larger shirts to actually hide some of the muscle soon...lol....frigging weird at my age....life crashing around me in almost every area, but feel better than I did at 32....go figure. lol....not a bad trade
hey shelby, i am 61. Please let me know your progress.....I am wondering how the next few years will treat my body, although never plan to stop Test at some level. Been on a 600mg test enth (300 twice a week) for about 5 months. time to cut back as Im not getting the libido boosts (well, not 5 x a day as in the beginning) but never want to be totally off. Will go to TRT soon but will it hurt me (anyone) to keep taking at this level? As I said, at my age, I don't plan to ever be totally off exogenous test...great post shelby and will be real interested in your progress..
For anti-aging purposes, between cycles, you still want to maintain Free Testosterone at about 25 per LabCorp test and IGF-1 at 350 (indicator of GH) also per LabCorp test. Different labs have different references.
tx man
No problem... We old fuckers have to stick together! lol
Bro, ;you good man?
lol, my experience exactly after I lost a bunch of weight too. thanks
You are complaining that you can only have sex 2x a week at your age? Hell Shelby, Im 54 and I was hoping the 500mls of sustanon would get me "back" to 2x a week!!!! You lucky bastard! -) That means once your roidplus kicks in youll be "wacking and smacking" something or other 3x a day! And youre complaining? lol
Yeah, I ordered my TRENBOLONE A. IN THE ROIDPLUS BRAND too. Maybe the trenblone will act as a AI and I wont need much proviron if any. Wishing both of us luck. And yeah. I still look at 20 year olds and say to myself as Vince Gironda used to say in his 70's...."If just one of them in this room turns to look at me, its worth all the training."
Stalion_WI like your attitude, +1
Welcome Shelby. Im 54 myself, and I need some advice from the gang here. I am in my 8th week of a cycle of
250ml sust250 2x week. Plus 30mg dbol daily.
(CAN SOMEONE HELP ME GET RIPPED?)
After 4 weeks no results so I would sometimes add in a 3rd inject. for the week and stopped the dbol. After discovering I gained 10 pounds in 5-1/2 weeks, it shows on the scale but I see no change at all except a bit of puffiness in the face. I added back the dbol for 2 more weeks and now just use maybe 50mg 2-3x a week to confuse the system and lo and behold ive gained another 5 pounds. This is my first cycle in over 20 yrs and my thyroid was low when I started so maybe thats why i cant see any cuts. But I dont see any mass either excpet a tiny bit in my lats and my calves got thicker but its water weight, I cant tell.
QUESTION: NOW that Im at my highest bodyweight ever of 185 for my 5'9-1/2 small boned frame, I just want to keep my weight the same and become rock hard. I was not thin or overweight to begin with so I cant figure out why I didnt get either muscle or somewhat ripped. I was planning on this cycle being 12-14 weeks total, and I have no anto estros as I never used em back in my 20's when cycling before but I have some proviron and tren A on the way. Can someone tell me...WHAT IS THE BEST STACK TO get ripped, improve endurance and increase my sex drive as first priorities. Muscle is now secondary at this weight.
I admit I do eat well,6x a day, but I cant cut my carbs out after dinner time so other than trying to eat lower fat protein. In fact I cant figure where the 15 pounds came from since I went from just eating anytime I wanted all day to eating 6 small meals a day. I have always put an emphasisi on high fiber foods like cereal and fruit in the am as I get constipated with less than 25-30 gms of fiber daily. I am so disappointed that my strength or endurance or sex drive didnt improve at all of the sust250 I got from using the roidplus brand. Could I have gotten a diluted batch? I have not been in the gym for 5 yrs previous to this but that wouldnt be the reason I didnt make any strength or endurance or recuperation time ,gains at all,right? I hear TREN A. IS 3X STRONGER THAN TESTOSTERONE AND YOU CAN GET CUT UP ON IT ON ANY KIND OF DIET AT ALL.. TRUE? I need help before I lose my diesire to even train anymore which is creeping in slowly even now. Im only doing 4-6 sets per bodypart resting 20-30 seconds between sets and already i feel bburned out. And yes I am trying to get my thyroid under control, but I was never a good gainer on gear even in my 20's before the thyroid problem!!!!!! I also suffer from chronic fatigue and sleep 12 hrs a day so I was hoping the gear would help that. It didnt, but I do sleep a bit less. I cant seem to cut out all carbs after dinner as thats all I really want to eat after 7pm without wanting to puke. I am also on DHEA and DIM if any of you believe in natural supplements. I must be at about 20% bodyfat now, up from around 18% when I first started. Just guesswork. Funny thing is when I was 21, being 165 most of my life, if I was 185 then, id be really hot. Now I cant even tell where the weight is.
And btw..I asked my doctor for some testosterone 20% cream for 30 days before my gear got here even though my test is normal he said, and it did nothing. So I was actually on a 4 week "pre-cycle" before I even started and saw no gains or increased sex drive from that either. I hear 20% is pretty strong creme!
Hi Silat50
Sorry I havent been able to keep up. Just got home. My work keeps me in Nicaragua every alternate month. The rig internet filter wont let me access the forum. Also makes it hard to do any serious gear. Probably for the best.
It sounds like you're doing all the right things. It is possable you may need an anti aromatize (hope thats right) like Anastrozol for taking that much T. If you arent, your estradiol is most likely pretty high and it will counteract the Test. You seem to be making more gains than I am. Check your blood work though and don't let that stuff get away from you.
I just started Roid Plus Cyp when my doc was reluctant to give me a Rx. He said to "wait until the middle of next month. Your implants have at least that much longer to go." Being an impatient sort, I sent off for some to try until the legal stuff is here. I intend to start a cycle similar to yours with 50mg Dbol daily and 250 Test only once a week. I have been slacking on meds though and my estradiol is three times higher than it should be. Got some more Anastrozole coming to take care of that too. Also some Cialis. That one month high at the beginning on the test cycle didn't last but I am still better that I was before I started. With the booster I was probably up to 1200 on the test. It will be interesting to see what the T levels off at.
Shelby, it sounds like youre right. But Jeez, back in my day 30 yrs ago, we didnt even know what AI's were and guys still got ripped off testosterone and dianaboil! Am i just to damn old? I am also in disbelief that just going to the gym takes soooo much motivation. I will tell you all right now. If you are lifting or building past age 45, dont take any long times off as you might never get the motivation back again or be able to make gains. As I am find in out....when you are over 40, its a lot more behind the scenes than just lots of testosterone to make up for father time! Im also pretty upset that part of my plan was to get back into martial arts and show these young gus a thing or two about motivation from an "old guy" like me and never tell them Im on gear until they figure it out for themselves, then Id always be honest. Nut hell, I feel like going to my school to spar, like you feel like having a testicle removed. Where the hell did ALL my drive go!!!!!!!!
I pray its just an AI I need, but I only have 20 proviron coming and that just 20 days, or 40 if i break em in half. I also hear that some people have cholecterol problems with em. Guys on the different BB boards act like Ai's are a free ride but everything has a price. Whats bodybuilding chemistry going to be like in 15 yrs. You take some gear, then you take some ai's to counteract the gear siees, then you take some thing else to counteract the ai sides, and then you take something else to counteract....and then...ALL THE BODY BUILDING MAGAZINES WASH,RINSE AND REPEAT THE SAME OLD ARTICLES ONLY THEY HAVE 33 NEW SUPPLEMENTS TO SEE US THAT WIL "REPLACE" GEAR AS IF ANYTHING EVER DID!
BEING MIDDLE AGE SUCKS FOR A bb or martial artist. Now I have tio hope when my tren A. arrives, that I not making a deal with the devil.
I still dont understand if my estros are too high why my endurance and sex drive hasnt gone thru the roof. Hell I got mad one day and took 500 sust in one day and 80mg dbol and then another 25 sust the next day. Didnt feel squat. I dont even get the natural high some of you get. You must be lucky Shelby. I hope you keep us posted. And I hope I dont find it necessary on my next cycle to go up to 1.5 grams per week if this dont work. After all, Sly Stallone cannot be that ripped at his age of about 66 on just 500 ml a week of test. By the way, what do I do if my testicles start shrinking before my AI gets here? Maybe I will donate them to a museum for further study. LOL
Hey,
I think its awesome your on here bro. I'm 40 and probably in as bad of shape as you from an old car wreck few years back. Making a come back is taking more dedication than i ever had to 20 yrs ago..;)
As for the HGH bro I hope you find it. I have been scammed every time. Ive had a few types (none from here) and all junk. Just recently found a company in Mexico (not sure I can post name but wish I could) and he was a scam too. Luckily I am a computer IT and good at penetration testing so i traced him. He is all over the place and registered under numerous web-sites. I was really disappointed.
I served this country in the United States Marines and I have yet to meet any brotherhood like that one. The world has gone Morales.
Anyway good luck brother and hope to stay in contact and follow your progress.
Its more about dedication than chemical enhancement..:) (Of course we all want both!)
Hey Truelife,
Semper Fi Guy! I got my stash safely stored, 5 boxes of Rips. taking 2 iu's daily and worried that it's fake
just from reading on the forum. I have plenty of energy now but dont know if it is from the Test or the HGH. Some of these guys here believe all Chinese HGH is fake.
You're right about the dedicaton, it takes twice as much work to show the same gains as it did 20 years ago and I didn't even know about chemical help then!
I am having to work out one month at a time then basically stop everything except light workouts on the drilling rig I am on. Having to fly out of the country limits what you can bring.
It's hard to stay on a diet too when the food is so great. When I am at the house I dont bring it home and it's not a problem. On the rig you're presented with homemade chocolate chip cookies, pies, cakes, fudge and the soft ice cream machine is by the exit. the cones are so small you can always justify having "just One" it just doesnt end. At least this rig has a gym, A bowflex and a tread mill. I'm really not complaining. I feel like I am on top of the world. Always feel happy, normal agravations just slide off. maybe thats the test working. Really looking forward to the days at the gym. I hope you guys are doing as well as I am.
use a pregnancy test see if its HCG...I read the funniest thing on another board (no need to mention which one bc he was a MOD) and he said he gets horny as hell from good HGH...he mentioned that's how he tells if its legit...needless to say he got slammed and never replied back...lol..HCG will boost test and make you horny but I don't think the quality of HGH is measured by being horny
To my knowledge allot of the fakes are HCG instead of HGH.....check the brand against the manufactures site? Find guys here with same brand and compare...this forum is amazing and the members are solid.
Slam 10IU and go get lab test
I would look into how you should store it as well....just my thoughts..
Hey brother!!!!!! Semper Fi !!!!!! I have a hard time getting on here often...2 kids and going back to school at 40 isn't so easy
On the Chinese HGH it is a HOT topic everywhere and also if its human grade or animal..some are 191 amino some 192...its so overwhelming and even if you go to a DR for it half of them are going merely by their own off-label ideas how it will work.
Bottom line it doesn't matter who makes it there is always a chance something can go wrong. Its just not a stable substance like AAS ya know.
I do think and am very certain that there are more fakes made of the Chinese merely bc its easier to copy the packaging and so forth..just my opinion.
I personally am going to try the Chinese after conversations with guys who have posted on here. Gorrillafit looks Freaking amazing so something is working...maybe he has good genetics but I think he has a good combination of something going ;)
Awesome to see a devil dog.....and you can build muscle anywhere bro....your body weight can be used as the weight you merely have to find ways to use it. I know many guys that are damn built and never went in a gym...buy some lat bars and find places to do pull ups..push-ups standing on your hands feet on the wall....you can do it bro......born to fight, trained to kill, ready to die but never will
Welcome Shelbyclay. That's what I'm talkin about. Your never to old.
+1 keep it up shelb
I had a hard time getting my Dr. To even test my levels. His statement was if you can finish a triathlon your test levels are fine. Had all the low test symptoms however like R52 they wanted anti depressants which if any of you got sucked into kills sex life. Either blow to quick on some or can't bust 1 on others. I read up some more and finally got my doc to test levels. I am 48 and my test was at 250 go figure. He wants me to do 200cc Cyp per month which after 6 weeks or less found was pointless. Have been able to learn a lot from folks on site. Lots of good info and resources
came to this stie at 60 years old, after being critical care advanced practice nurse for 30 years.
I have not met ANY MD or Med person who knows 1/4 as much as the "'rats" in here that have been experimenting on themselves and sharing the outcomes with others for freaking decades.
Have not see one body builder in ICU or ER in 30 years of practice for AAS side effects, ever. That
What an ass....if you can run a triathlon your test is fine? Women run triathlons ?
I think you will find better advice right here brother.....get your own test...you can order them through a place on here..they seem to cover most states...my state requires a doctors script and they can order it for me?
I'm new to TRT but old vet of AAS ;) There are some very knowledgeable brothers here...I don't see how 200 a month would elevate steady levels?
You're doctor sounds very uneducated with the male endocrine system. 200ccs of cyp per month would be pointless, maybe even counterproductive. If you haven't already, I'd seriously consider finding a new specialist.
Twice a week ain't too shabby @ 66 without TRT. What are you at now with TRT? Probably pounding the vag several times a day now bud. Ada boy. I hope I am like you when I'm 66. btw I'm 44, but I feel like 76. I'm slowly on the mend. I found a good source, and ramped up my test for the past two weeks. Had a boner this week. Wooohooo.
LMAO....thats tooo damn funny :):)
You've got 2 years on me but consider this... There was a time when you were twice as old as me so, the way I see it, I'M CATCHING UP WITH YOU!!! ;-) +1 FR sent
Hello sir,
You got me beat by 5 years. I, too, am taking consistently Test E or C and sometimes do a boost of prop. Have lost 120 lbs in 3 years and work out 2-3 times per week. I value your input, being similar ages. Great introduction. I got tested by a local fat doc and he said my levels of 430 were just fine and suggested (as he prob would have to you also) Zoloft (depression cause my sex life was non existant) and Ambien to help with sleep. Needless to say, I was not impressed with his dx and just ordered from some great ugl on here. I am taking the Rips (prob from source you ordered from) and my igf-1 levels are through the roof. Def recompositon of body, with actual abs showing more and more each week. Have not seen that since I was 20...seriously. Don't really get a feeling of well being like many do, but love the results. I only take 1-3 IUs a day due to my tremendously high levels on 1IU daily. But still experimenting and not sure about how much to take. Lets trade wives for a while. lolol...mine told me last night that she is 56 and sex not on her mind. lol....wellllll.....hey man, thanks for posting and you knocked me out of the oldest man here....:)
Randys52,
You sound like you're doing great Randy. You're should get your wife interested in HRT though. If she gets it balanced just right, she will be the agressive one. My wife is doing it with the implanted pellets and loves it. She never says NO any more, her breasts have filled out a cup size larger, they stand up better and she is as jucy as a ripe peach. She shaved herself smooth for my 67 birthday just lately to surprise me. I had quit trying to get her to do that years ago. Ain't life great!
She is my frequent workout partner at the gym and is firming up nicely too.
As for myself, My injuries are getting better, I am showing slow but steady gains since I dropped a little weight and added more reps. I just discovered "super sets". It seems like everybody knew about them but me. I felt like such a dummy.
Meanwhile, I am trying to get a Rx for some Test so I can bring it with me when I travel. My doc is reluctant, wants me in her office for shots. I went to see another Dr., He wants to see bloods before he will write a precsription. Only prob there is I dont want to stop everything so he can see low test readings. I will have to level with him and tell him I have some Chinese (I think) test I have been taking and would rather have the legit stuff. I'll let you know how it comes out.
The problem is the docs all have to cover their butts and have records to prove you need it. I went the other way around... My doc prescribed then I switched to underground and told him about it. That way, he has the initial "low" blood test to cover his ass and I have the script. He can always renew the script after that. Maybe if you level with your docs they will be more comfortable with your doing your own injections at home?
Thanks man, will def get her to try that! Should I put Test Prop in her HGH syringes? LO
Hey don't laugh... A year or so ago, I was using topical test cream. My wife got enough of it from contact with me that her test went through the roof!! Injections solved that problem! lol BTW... She really liked the increased test... Kept showing me her muscles! ;-)