Looking for opinions on a moderate cycle
49, 5'11", 198 lbs, 12% bf according to Dexa. Lifetime in the gym. Really getting after it for the last 4 years.
Relatively new to AAS. Peptides for years. Been on Test for 9 months and slowly adding compounds and titrating up doses to measure my response.
I want to up my cycle to maximize legit gains while still walking the line with overall longterm health and low sides in mind.
Started at 160mg/wk Test C, M-W-F. Had some high Hematocrit initially(56) but got that under control. Pretty high E2 at 69 but no sides.
Currently:
200mg/wk Test C, M-W-F
250iu HCG M-W-F
20mg Anavar/day
4iu HGH/day
Making some nice gains. Loving the Var. Mostly side free except I feel like my E2 might be too high for my liking. Overall kind of shitty and feminine. water retention/fat ankles. About to pull some bloods before changing anything.
Planed cycle. Add Primo at 200mg/wk and titrate up to:
300mg/wk Test C
300mg/wk Primo
4iu/day HGH
30mg/day Anavar
I think I will drop the HCG. Don't care about kids or balls. Will stop the Var at 8 wks.
Might go to daily injections.
Plan to run this for 14-20 wks depending on what my bloods look like and how I feel+gains
Will Then drop back to 160 test and 2iu HGH
Hoping to get some good gains while keeping the E2 in check with the Primo
What do you Bros think? What am I missing
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Those are the safest compounds imo. But if longevity is a major concern, as it should be I think there’s a case to be made for sticking to the 2 hormones our bodies produce naturally and know exactly what to do with, test and GH. Unless you want to be a mass monster, those 2 will get most people to their goals. I also think it’s probably a good idea quit running orals after 40 if you’re among the majority of people that get really fucked up lipids from them, var is one of the worst for this. But if you’re one of the lucky ones who can keep a lipids within normal range or really close to it then it’s probably ok to still use on occasion. There’s also the liver aspect. Some peoples livers get really stressed on orals. Any oral for me on a bulker is counterproductive after 10-14 days. It kills my appetite and significantly slows down my digestion and I can’t get all my food in. That appetite suppression can be kinda helpful when cutting. Var is my oral of choice when cutting.
If the goal of the cycle is to gain muscle, 300 test 300 primo has slightly less potential than 600mgs of test. But what has more negative impact on the body? Idk. Depends on how sensitive you are to test.
The swollen ankles are likely due to the GH, not E2. I get it too on 4ius of GH. Although it used to go away when I was younger and my body got used to it after a few weeks. It’s hard side effect to mitigate. Sleep with your feet on pillows so they’re above your heat and they’ll drain out overnight. And then it reaccumulates during the day. Knee high Compression socks will largely prevent it.
solid post! you made mention of 600mg of test having more potential than 300mg test & 300mg primo. I'm curious if that is experience or data driven info?
Super solid advice. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I’m about 10 days into the Var. My plan was to pull bloods at 4 wks to check my lipids. Figured the swollen ankles were the GH but the timing of the addition of HCG matched up better. Been taking care of it with compression and elevation already and it has gotten better to almost gone at this point. TBH the reason I’m contemplating splitting with Primo and not going full 600 Test is my fear of gyno. I really don’t want to deal with that at all. I realize this isn’t the perfect prescription for a longevity protocol but I’ve just always wanted to take my physique to the next level and I figure I’m running out of time. I also have had a lot of atrophy on my lower half from 8 major orthopedic surgeries on my left leg over the past 20 years. I’ve finally had some success with my legs this year and I really want to bring them around.
Not a ball guy huh? I love that HCG keeps them hanging low. At least low for me. Without it they may as well be inside of me (phrasing).
I dont use it for fertility as I have kiddos and have had a vasectomy.
I felt the need to only comment on that because balls.
itszoot89It’s funny you say that, i B&C and lately I’ve noticed my nuts sagging a little lately , maybe I never paid attention but it’s usually pretty compact… idk what that means lol
Balls. Haha yeah I don’t care and my wife really isn’t into big ‘uns so fuck it.
If you’re looking at moderate then up test to 500mg per week and primo the same.