posted Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:00
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HRT and low t symptoms returning
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This site has been a God send. I've learned more in the past few months here than a year of googling. My family doc has me on 100mg test cyp per week. He' ll run it up as High as 300mg per week. I've been sticking with the lower.dose for about 7 months. When I first
started, felt great. Energy up, motivated, got wood so hard, that it was painful.(all good) Now 7 months later, energy dropping, difficulty even getting wood. I am reluctant to tell doc for fear he'll cut my 300mg dose down. Frankly he knows very little about hrt and is learning as he goes. I'm guessing that my test receptors are locked up? Any advice would be appreciated. Do I simply up the dose? Or do I need to add some ancillary product? Thanks again.
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More is not necessarily better. 300mg/wk of test-c is way too high for a sustained TRT dose and that will eventually down-regulate your ARs if you stay on that level. That's almost enough for an anabolic effect. Have you had your free and total T levels tested at that dose? Mine would be way above the "normal" T range even at 200mg/wk. Having a doc that is not knowledgeable in endocrinology manage your TRT can be quite dangerous over the long haul because problems can accumulate that he/she won't know to look for.
I've been on the TRT cruise for almost 6 years with some blasting here and there. The low T symptoms that persist for more than a few weeks are usually an indicator that something needs adjusting. These days for me low levels of a DHT derivative (proviron) is necessary to keep the symptoms from returning. Unfortunately if you are in the US, docs cannot prescribe it. Good luck.
tread-mTrust me when I tell you, your receptors are fine. I run enough test to kill a horse! Lol. No kmc hit on part of it,well everyone did. Its about changing things up a little though. Heres the thiing too, if something stops working stop doing it. A little adex for a short run .25 eod may help in the estrogen department and as one mentioned a short hcg run, I dont like the Stay on hcg plan and then lets talk about why you chose to only satisfy half of the hpt axis? If the axis balances test and growth then its reasonable to think if you use both the axis will make a better balance. Better balance means a better you and then you have to realize, turning back the clock is part of our goal. Test increases the size of new cells while hgh creates new cells. Why do we begin to age? When we are young our body wastes all the overage in cell production so there are plenty there to keep refurbishing everything that is depreciating and we dont age. The first signs of aging tell you that you are no longer producing a surplus of new cells and the aging begins. Using hgh and producing new cells you go from slowing the clock down with test to actually reversing the clock for a few years and then even as time is catching up with you it is doiing so with much more difficulty. Blast and cruise is part of the magic IMO. You take it to a high place twice a year and then your balance is easier to keep in between. Its like taking care of your car year round but twice a year you give it the works treatment and the combination not only makes the car look better all the time, it makes it last longer. Lot of metaphors huh? Lol. This is not that tough once you figure it out so figuring it out quick is better than spending 10 years figuring it out with doc advice and google. You are your biggest fan and doc is not even in the top 10 so proactive on your own health is paramount.
AnonIf you think about it, technically speaking, when you change things up you are shaking up the receptor sites.. cycles on and off using different compounds different dosages clear out receptors sites and SHBG, which can also cause problems with the uptake of the hormones..
tread-mWell then I will think about it just for you because you are right as always!
Any books you can recommend Tread, or useful articles?
tread-mI'd have to do some looking, I have read everything I can get my hands on whike running gear and leading up the the age of hrt myself but its mostly studies and the like. Just finding what works and test does some good for sure but its just half the package. You have to remember as you read and research, there is so much propoganda out there even in the studies themselves. Often studies are done looking for something specific as was the protocol requested by whoever funded the study. VERY often someone who wants a negative outcome will fund a study and request this specific protocol of how it will be done and then the university or whover did it will publish findings as though there was no predetermined outcome in mind and show there negative findings. So always dig deep into studies as you research if they depict test or hgh etc in a negative light. Very often you will find they were done with a conclusion in mind before it began, a study devised to show failure in other words. Thats not science its propogada! There was a recent study in posts somewhere here that set out to decide how safe anavar is. The study concluded that it was highly toxic and ineffective etc and did so as though they were applying the findings to the general population. That would have been all fine and dandy if all the participants in the study did not have aids with compromised immune systems etc. This is the sort of shit that is passed off as science thes days. So do a ton of research but do it with suspiscion as you see writings that are overwhelming in one direction or the other. Its not for everyone I guess, hrt that is, but even if done in very mild forms it is better than all that comes from depreciating hormone. If your insulin is low you take insulin, right? So why would you not supplement any other hormone that is low? It just seems so simple to me but then I'm simple too...lol
It could be your natural Test production you had at the start of TRT has shut down.
When you started the injection combined with your natural production was the level you need to be at. Now without your natural production , your levels are too low again.
AnonYou could cycle off for a few weeks and see if that clears out the receptor sites or you can go shopping and up your dose for a blast cycle and then cruise at +/- 200mg.. seems like eventually most guys that find their way here go the blast and cruise route
My doc has me on 200 mgs (I choose to do a spit dose), Anti-estogens and hcg and I have had no problems. Read up on the HCG, And I will bet you that some very nice folks that have been around this site for a while will chime in soon. Good Luck
AnonJust curious as to how the HCG helps you or did you mean HGH?
I am told that without the hcg, being on such a long cycle my nuts would shrivel up. I am told that the hcg protects them and me. I will say everything working just fine, that having been said I seem to find better info here than from my own doctor quite often.
After about 2 months of TRT and low dose add of (200 mg Cyp and 300 mg Prop ) I have noticed no shrivel of the nuticles... I am not using HCG. I wish they would shrink. They clang / bang around and get in my way!
Are those doses per week ?
LOL Don't give up
fightin the good fight... may have to up my dose on the prop!
My TRT doc has me on HCG as well, injects at the same time as my eow test cyp shots. I'd like to hear from those that are on TRT without HCG and how their boys/nuts last. I have done cycles in the past before TRT, and mine never got really small as I've heard from others.