posted Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:16
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Hey guys, just got my first blood work in 10 years and wasnt too good. Just curious how low is really low for T. Mine was 107...please chime in, needless to say I will be cruising from now on. I have been on a diet for the last 7 weeks and am really having a time loosing that last little bit, guess I know what my problem is now. Thanks to SGTSteDanko for the diet, still hungry though.
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at 30 I would say you should def be over 400, and a more desirable 700+ I would try another doc bro. Check with your insurance, mine denied my TRT as they said it wasnt necessary and that it was a boutique treatment...wtf :-) I have a good doc he does get some of it paid now, but its still cheaper to go UGL. I just keep it so I can juice when I travel!
Well hell my doc said my numbers checked good I'm 30 and only was 275 so after reading this its deff on the low side how do you even get started with trt another doctor?
I have a similar problem, I'm 24 and have test levels of 230 and my endo said it's not low enough for TRT. Fuck getting another doc mate, do DIY TRT, that's what I'm starting. There's enough info in places like this from people who have actual experience with TRT, rather than some doc who thinks he knows what he's talking about because he read what another clueless doc wrote in a book decades ago.
its def worth it to have a script. My doc knows I juice and finds humor in the fact I get my goods cheaper than what he prescribes. Still I got that piece of paper that says Im legal, especially when I travel. I take my goods in my carry on, right through the xray machine, and only one time did I get inspected out of maybe 20. But, I had my paperwork, and no biggie. If you dont travel and arent worried about it then just go DIY, its cheaper. Get a good source and stay with em.
To hell with docs-
DIY-
Monitor your own labs -
Screw their questions and their deductibles
Cheaper to DIY
lots good folk here to help
First let them know that range has changed and possibly the testing facility is still using the old range.
Here is one link that mentions the new range:
http://atlanta-liposuction.com/new-study-raises-testosterone-normal-limit/
I'm 34 years old and recently prescribed TRT. Before I started T my levels were at 200. Did some homework and tried 12.5mg of Xtane with 60mg of Reloxifene. The following bloodwork I was at 323. My doc thought I started my script of T before my follow up and I didn't. That T jump was from the Reloxifene and Xtane alone. The doc still injected me with 200mg of Test Cyp and assured me that 323 was still too low for a healthy 34 year old man. My script is starting at 200mg every 2 weeks and will eventually go up from there. Good experienced docs will go from your input and not numbers. My doc specifically wants to hear how I feel and will adjust my doses accordingly every 4 weeks. Bloodwork is done every 3rd week or 7 days after the injection. So moral of the story is that there isn't a definitive answer on what is normal or low because the standard numbers are for ages 18 - 80. TRT is still uncharted territory for the common doctor. Thanks to politicians we are in a constant battle. Hope this helped answer your concerns.
Was 52 when tested, T came in at 260. Now who in the @#$$%^&*! ‘thinks’ 240 and up is normal??????? No body that's lived it!
I was just put on TRT yesterday...my labs came back at 304. I haven't done a cycle in months, but have been feeling like crap. ZERO sex drive, can't think straight etc...the PA put me on 150 of Cyp. to start once a week. she also mentioned that my estrogen was a little low and out of whack, it came in at 18.9. the only thing that sucks about my Dr. is that they make you sign a waiver saying that you won't juice while on TRT...
150mg a week should get you above 800 easily and shes right you dont want your e2 too low like that. I like when mine stays between 25-35. I split my weekly dose every 84hrs and i feel like a million bucks bro. I also supplement vitamin d 10000iu's daily, maca, multi v, zma at night, sublingual dhea, sublingual pregnelone daily. You lucked out though this idiot endo doc i had two years ago wanted me too take 100mg every two weeks. I fired his ass shortly after and switched to a urologist i met at a gym lol. I also stack 100mg of viagra with 450mg of viagra when i **** my college gf! Its an awesome stack for us old bastards bro!!!
Yeah, I go in every Monday for a shot. She said that after a month they will check my levels via blood draw. I'm shooting for at least 800, I would prefer around 1000..but time will tell. I take the usual, fish oil, multi, magnesium every day. I am going to add some CLA. I was thinking about adding some var come spring time once I level out. What does the 10000iu's of vitamin D do? I never thought of adding that. I have never had any luck with ZMA, and the viagra I have taken has always given me a damn headache. Once I get leveled out, they check bloods every 6 months. I was thinking about doing a blast cycle with additional cyp, probably just and additional 150 or so a week. Wait, I just noticed you said that you stacked 100mg of viagra with 450mg of viagra..is that a typo?
Vitamin D raises your Test bro just google it and you will see all the articles about it. Take Kaizen ZMA its some potent stuff that works better than any ZMA out there. Hell yes I take 100mg of Viagra stacked with one GNC yohimbe pill! I use to take 50mg and had decent results but one of my bros was like you wanna be a pornstar take 100mg and stack it with yohimbe. Since ive been doing that ive been fucking all night and giving chicks multiple orgasms. Its a crazy stack bro but it gives u crazy endurance and makes u like a steel poll lol. Dont sleep on the sublingual DHEA or pregnelone they are phenominal and provide great support for old guys like us on TRT i feel alot better since adding them in. Also 2000mg of Maca throughout the day makes me horny. Glad to hear they are retesting u in a month buddy best of luck!
Like everyone else said. Mine fas 62 im 47 years old. Never did aas or anything. Tons of health problems. On trt almost 2 years lost 60 plus pounds and feel WAY better. My wife is Very happy it kind of sucks because I never thought about that part of it before TRT. She makes jokes now like we act like were teens ect. We do and she says things like I can see your muscles . TRT best thing I ever did.
I was right at 300 and was having a shit load of health problems. Now im on 200mg's a week of Test Cyp and i feel like myself again and am making gains in the gym and have lost my gut and am pounding alot of pussy off of dating sites. Also I take a couple supplements that I feel help out alot and thats 10000 iu's of vitamin d a day, ZMA at night DHEA, MACA, and a multi vitamin.
Thats pretty low. I am 53 and had my blood work done and it was 147 and my Dr started me on Test Cyp 1cc per week 200. It helped me get rid of the fat and gave me drive. I just had my blood work again and will see what is at after 4 monthes of test.
Ur a lucky man to have 53!
At physical 6months ago- my doc came in room to discuss my labs-
He didn't want to talk about my diverticulitus, he did want to ask me how I FELT, cuz he said my test was 36 and
He had never seen so low in 40yr old.
It was my fault- I was on legit deca 8 wks before blood work, but switched to some
Fake test- so I fell of the cliff- head first!
No good- doc shot me up though with 200mg cyp every other wk.
My levels over next few wks fluctuated from 100-250, but did not stabilize.
He then referred me to endo cuz he didn't want to shoot me anymore and I didn't want to
Pay $40 copayment for just 200mg -
Endo gave me clomid and said call me 6 wks.
I'll go for bloodwork only now-
Therapy is on me now- no docs
This is an older post of mine but glad it has hung around. I am on TRT now and I have my levels around 850. I hit 200mg/wk Test E and watch my E levels pretty close. My last cycle was 2 months ago and I have lost some hardness, but strength is hanging in so far. Going to push out 8 more weeks then bulk up for the winter.
Freeze- so 200mgs of test ALONE brought you to 850 from 110?
How did you feel at 850?
My natural T without doing roids or anything was 102, that is extremely low. Low enough to give you many health problems (I had tons of health problems that cleared up when I got in TRT). I started trt and got my levels back up and it transformed my life and health in lot's of ways. IMHO a man should try to keep his T up around 600-800 for optimal health.
Hey freeze iwas a fairly insane juicer years back and being young and dumb made the decision to basically ignore any pct. To het to the point it had been nearly four years since my last shot and my results were a little less than yours. afyer taking 200 mgs of cyp every two I am just under 350. And feel better but it has been so long I have almost forgotten what I should feel like. Anyways good luck man. I believe tje range for the average male is about 350 to 850.
It goes by age-
for 40 yr old avg is 250-1100 ng
I was I think 36-44 at lest bloods.
Im trt all time now.
with 200 mgs cyp eow, doc got me to 319, but to me, that is still on lower side of normal and not good enough.
I think it's less about the levels but more about how you feel. My test level was 314 before I started TRT. My family doc told me I was in the normal range and ignored how I felt. Now I am on some really good TRT "top of the mountain" and I have a great libido, impoved relationship and started waking up with a morning errection for the 1st time since I was in high school.
Hi man, I know where you are. Mine is 200 and feeling horrible. No libido, no gains...
Tomorrow I have an app. with the endo. Wish I'll be on TRT.
Peace
Did you come off cycle recently? Without PCT possibly. I foolishly did that last summer and my levels were 71. It did get me a script though after a bit of trial and error.
jasonhHow long after cycle did ya get that number? i need a nice low number for my Doctor hes really cool and knows im coming of cycle and wants to get me back on trt but ive got to give him below 300 t level before he can write me my script. cycle was test e at 750 per week deca at 300 per week equipose at 500 per week
About 2 months after my last shot. Being the "Man" that I am I waited til I felt like total shit before seeing a DR. There was a post somewhere here that showed how long to completely clear your system halflife wise. I think 3-4, so 30-40 days with enanth. But remember you will lose all your growth and feel like shit by then!
jasonhthanks for response its been 3 weeks think ill wait couple more
The number I saw tossed around was 10 half lives, but if your taking larger quanities it would take more half lives to get to the same level.
nope, had good PCT last cycle, which was over 2 months ago. I have a meeting with the doc next week, they wouldnt send me my test but instead read off the highlighted readings over the phone...gotta love it. So I should have a detailed breakdown next week and hopefully a script. Also Pats, would you PM me with some info on your GH? Looking for a good source and I read you post all the time and looks like your dialed.
Right now 177 and 9% bf. Doing good but def feel off. I train hard, but hard to get away from Desperate Houswives
Anonthat is LOW..
Mine was 243 and I am on 200 Mgs of test cyp a week. Yours is borderline female not doggin but you need a script or some test prop quick like.
Thats low as hell bro, If im not mistaken the average adult males should be in between 250-600 i may be off a little but i know its around there.
OE2000I'm a woman too brotha... My T level 4 years ago before I got on TRT was in the 170s, hard to remember but it seems like it was 174 And yes, was always a struggle for me to lose that gut before testosterone replacement, now a few tweaks on the diet and BOOM!! Feel soooo much better these days too!!! Danko knows his shit, he won't steer you wrong!
WOW well i must have a vagina.... I took some test stoppped in June I also still taking some halotest and had my levels tested august 25 and my test level was 36 yes 36 and my other level was 2 wtf...... Im going to doctor i wonder what he will say... My cholesterol is horible its 215 but ldl is 180 and the hdl level is only 6 Thants bad low. I have no drive for much feel really blah sex drive blah in mornings not to bad but later on not much drive at all. Erection its semi hard but not like when i was younger. My concern im 6' 240 and dont look like i have a low test level..... wonder what the dr will say...Ill find out next week
I know exactly where you are coming from. A decade ago before I started TRT, a lab work form my dermatologist screwed returned a testosterone level instead of what he really wanted. My test level was 87. Off to the endocrinologist. Move forward 10 years and I had to come off TRT so the wife and I could get pregnant. After being off test for 2 months, my level hit an all-time low of 32!! I was tired, weak, getting fat, depressed, and moody as hell. Hell...that is an accurate description of how I felt in general. The after 4 months of clomid, we were pregannt. Stopped the clomid for three weeeks and my levels were back down. 4 weeks later down to 147. I have a pituitary adenoma that keeps me from making test naturally. Now I'm back on the test and life is good again!
Right on man, words of encouragement. Script coming, then a blast!
Holy shit bro thats horrible. Thats very very low.