What's your favorite Whey Protein and why?
There are so many brands out there, yet I'm having trouble finding something good, without artificial additives and soy fillers. It's sooooo bad that a scoop that supposedly has 25 grams of protein, is actually 35-50 grams in weight.
I was wondering if anyone has tried something that is as close as it gets to being purely protein. Something that doesn't taste like a donkey's butt also.
The only Protein I've tried that fits the description about is ISO100 by Dymatize. It was hydrolyzed 'pre-digested' contained 25 grams of Protein per scoop which weighed 28 grams in total, making it 90% protein. It tasted surprisingly good and mixed effortlessly. However, it's 75 bucks for 5 lbs which gets extremely costly when bulking. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone can give me a few recommendations.
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AnonAcid causes denaturation of proteins - it unfolds the tightly constructed peptide chain. It also adds hydrogen to the molecules, which causes the bonds to break, this freeing up some of if not all of the bound molecules.
Enzymes also add hydrogen, typically from a water molecule. This also breaks the bonds and frees up some of the bound amino acids.
The difference is in the method. Both are chemical reactions, but the acid denatures the structure. Either way, the peptide chains are broken down before they are exposed to the digestive system. The digestive system will further break them down, which changes the state yet again.
In terms of providing amino acids faster, your hydrolyzed proteins will do this. Whey is still a very short chain and will be absorbed rather rapidly. Whether or not your catabolic by the time they hit depends on the activity you performed. It's not a one size fits all.
AnonCut and paste?? I spent 10 minutes writing that. I held a career diploma in nutrition, certified personal trainer, certified sports nutritionist, and taught the curriculum for the CPT exam.
I've forgotten more than most have learned in these topics. But cut and paste has nothing to do with it. These are facts
Congrats and apologies.
You left something out though.... acid vs. enzyme hydro.
AnonBecause you edited your comment while I was typing mine. But I think I covered it.
You do know your shit man...
But what I was getting at was the comment about staying away from hydro proteins because they are "compromised" and of lower quality.
Although I haven't opened a txt book in over 15yrs... I used to know my way around nutrition pretty well. Now a days my brain is just a bit slower than my typing fingers lol.
AnonThanks bro. I'm really basing that on what was drilled into my head by the NFPT, then what I picked up on in other subjects about the chemical reactions and such.
After considering the two forms you mentioned, to me, it would seem that the acid would compromise the quality more than the enzyme. In fact, deductive reasoning tells me that the enzyme hydrolysis would only be mimicking the digestive response and introducing the protein in a different form.
In the end, the hydrolyzed forms are no longer whey. But the acid forms would be of most concern.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalink^Exactly... enzyme hydrolysis would mimic the digestive process... not degrade the quality. It will still be the same old di, tri, and poly-peptides that get into the blood much quicker than a whole protein.
So who really cares what type of protein it starts as? Whey, egg, caseinate. If it does the same job in less time, then what's the difference? (Besides the horrible taste).
MeinuntergangWhy should I stay away? It is different and that's due to it being pre-digested. A few years back, I used to work at the Vitamin Shoppe during the summer while I was in school and have the the opportunity to try almost everything they had. Some proteins made me bloated and feeling 'heavy', others were outright disgusting, some gave me stomach aches and others gave me gas. The reason why I think Iso100 is the best is based on my experience, I felt great while taking 150 grams of powdered protein in addition to my regular foods and I didn't have digestive troubles at all. I also noticed incredible gains while on prop and dbol.
I read on the bottle that they actually add BCAAs powder in addition to the protein itself.
AnonWhey isolate is the ideal choice. It is still whey protein. Whey is beneficial as a post WO because it is digested an absorbed very quickly. Hydrolyzed whey is not the same. You should stay away from hydrolyzed whey because the integrity of the peptide chain has been compromised and the quality has been decreased.
MeinuntergangI see your point. But, what's mind boggling is that everyone on bb.com and all other websites and forums is raving about the quality of Hydro protein.
When I'm on cycle, I start the day with 40 grams of casein upon wakening, 40 grams of iso or hydro protein an hour before work out and 40 grams immediately before leaving the gym and 40 grams of casein last thing before bed, along with my regular solid foods.
Anonyou'll just have to look at the label and see if they're disclosing anything about the type of protein it is. thing about supplement companies is that there is no true regulatory agency that governs them like there is with foods. so, what they claim could very much differ from reality.
MeinuntergangHydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolates, Cocoa, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Soy Bean Oil†, Sucralose.
MeinuntergangThe contrary, the protein I told you about rates like vanilla ice cream. But you're correct, hydro whey does taste bitter, especially optimum nutrition's hydrobuilder. The stuff tasted bad. The best I've tested was Gaspari Isofast? but it's only isolate. And, I heard the new probiotic series turns you into a poopaholic.
GearofWarOh you guys and your high falutin' proteins. Ha! I use the Body Fortress Chocolate Peanut Butter protein. 2lb tub, 52g protein, $16 at WalMart, and the most delicious tasting protein I've ever tried. What's not to like?
Anonplus check the serving size on the back. A lot of those high number claims are based on two glasses or two scoops not one.
GearofWarYessir. It is 52 grams per 2 scoops. I usually scoop out 2.5 anyhow. I have massive protein needs, not just due to AAS, but also because I had malabsorptive stomach surgery and I can't eat enough protein in a day so I have to supplement with large amounts especially while on blast.
Meinuntergangyou see, it's the rate of absorption that matters. cheap stuff is awesome, but your body doesn't absorb most of it, while hydro whey gets absorbed a lot better and quicker.
CleyonLast tub of Pro7ein was $35 for a 5lb tub. I win!
GearofWarIndeed you do, fucker! Touché, lol. Where do you buy this pro7ein at?
CleyonGold Standard, and Pro7ein (Nutrishops house brand) are the ones I go for. Overall, I'm not sure that one is better than the other. Pro7ein tastes better, but Gold Standard has long been the brand to beat. Other than that I just stay away from anything that has any type of soy protein in it. Everytime I get some with even a little soy I start feeling bloated and slow.
StevebProteinfactory because of the price and good quality.
I like intek's line of protein. Their whey is good it has 35g protein per scoop, and the scooper is not that big. SOmething you need to watch out for is some protein claim to have 50g protein PER SERVING and you open the bottle up to find out that the scooper is huge and you need 3 scoops for one serving lol.
But anyways Intek whey tastes good with water and milk. I usually use milk but water when I cant. It goes down smooth also. DOes not clump up but you do need to stir it for a couple mins. I have one of those big mixer cups with a whisk ball in it and I just shake the bottle for a min and it's all mixed up. I get my protein for $40 at a local supplement shop.
I also sometimes like to buy different brands just to vary it up. SO it depends but I mostly use intek
MeinuntergangI know haha one time my friend bought a mass gainer and it was 6 scoops per serving and 13 servings per bag. it was hilarious.
the last protein I used was amazing, mixes effortlessly in a water bottle. all it took was a couple of shakes.