posted Wed, 10/15/2014 - 18:25
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I NEED HELP BOTHERS!!
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Please help..I was with the same girl for 13 years, split up a year ago. So we now are starting to go thru our divorce and today we had mediation regarding our kids.During our mediation she told mediator I use gear and is requesting I get drug tested.. (our divorce isn't because of my gear use) I'm currently on cycle and willing to do what ever it takes to get this out of my system. Any help is very much appreciated.
Compounds in my system, Sus250-Deca200-Dbol..
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AnonIMO end your cycle. Those compounds you have don't have long life spans as it is. As far as all the legalism I have nothing to offer. You could even time when you may be presented with a drug panel test and have your test levels plumet to show you have low t during that test to be able to skim by but I dont advise that because that's to much of a headache and guessing game. Anyways come off if you haven't. You can pick up again when this blows over. Your standard pct items also if they were to show up shouldn't be a big deal seeing as how you can buy pharma. (If im wrong someone please correct me!!!) Buy a lousy test booster also if you feel that will aid in any way.
You're missing the big picture IMO. Work with your ex-wife and do everything conceivably possible to have everything including finances, custody, visitation, etc ironed out, agreed upon and in writing with or without the mediator's intervention BEFORE you go to court. For all the womens lib bitching about fairness, men overwhelmingly get ass-raped in divorce court. Be calm, rational, reasonable, make concessions and document your good faith efforts as well as her unwillingness to compromise or any hostility she gives you. Honestly, agreements that you make between each other in the long run will get executed from her side much more reliably than if a court has to make decisions for you all which they will have little to no power to enforce nor will they care to help you if down the road she up and decides to violate your rights or just move and take your child to Switzerland. If your life is otherwise put together and you conduct yourself in this manner then your steroid use- alleged on her part- will be a very peripheral issue for the divorce magistrate.
Good read, I'm taking this all into consideration.This community was the only place that I knew that I can go for some help on this issue thank you guys so much. Very much appreciated..
RichTrayYou are right on with the exception to the steroids being a peripheral issue by divorce magistrate.I think that is very wishful thinking.Not to mention,I highly doubt that the woman would conceed to his life being in perfect order if they are in front of a judge.If she is pulling that card (steroid use)I would plan on her using it.Do you thing she will say she wants him tested to see if his physique is natural or not? No,she is suggesting that the steroids are of consequential impact on his life and relationships.She is most likely suggesting that his steroid use leaves him in an incapacitated condition to care for the children and maintain healthy relationships.The court looks at steroids as illegal drug use that DOES psychologically negatively impacts your judgement at very least.
Honestly bro this imo coming from a guy who spent most of his life getting tested. Go to a supp shop all of their snake oils aka pro hormones say on the back will test positive for ped tests and i had it happen way before i used gear . I would stick to my guns and say the only thing i do is legal supplements and id have 2 or 3 of the snake oil/ legal steriod / pro supps opened with some missing along with pre workout , bcas, and a protein powder, and in the off chance they do test you and it comes bac positive you have a stack of legally purchased supps from a supp store that clearly state they will/can make you test positve for banned peds. I speak from experience. Similar situation. An more than likely they do a blood test thats what has always been done to me. Hope you get things worked out. An i would lay low with the peds for the sake of seeing my children knowing my ex is out to get me bro, my son comes first in my life.
RichTrayWith all due respect for what would normally be a good arguement you are absolutely 100% wrong.This is a serious legal matter and ANY lawyer will be able to test and confirm these substances 100%.We arent talking about a basic hormone level panel.The tests can be done specifically searching for steroids.In most cases they arent but in this case they most likely will.Each 1 of those substances can be individually detected.There are financial costs ,but given the magnitude of the legal matter i am sure they will be willing to pay.Any judge will absolutely court order a conclusive test to be done.The fact that the steroids dont seem to be a relevant issue is very subjective .The fact is that the courts will qualify illegal drug use,and thats how they view it,as 100% relevant.Fair or not ,thats the reality.the woman,as always,has this gentleman by the balls and the only solution would be to conceed your ass in mediation or try to kiss her ass outside mediation.Its a shit position but the best thing the gentleman can be armed with is reality.Not as hope that he will only get the basic hormone panel and then give some lamb OTC arguement that will make him look like a fool.Advising people in these cases is very serious because the implications are very serious.I speak as a matter of fact NOT as my personal opinion.Hopefully she is just bluffing to gain leverage .....COUNTING ON THAT COULD BE A DISASTER.The gentleman in this predicament has my prayers and best wishes.He will likely get screwed like most men do. i would highly recommend that this be worked out 1 on 1 with the EX no matter what!.He will lose the steroid argument and the court will give the woman anything she wants UNLESS he works it out with her....the question is can he get it out of his system and i dont think there is a way.Better shave the head too if he figures 1 out.I say these words with deep sympathy.
Instead of writing out this long 30 minute paragraph you should have just clicked on the link of the product I told him to buy and spend a few minutes reading about it. That was to mjch so I'll give you a run down. Back in the day Patrick arnold a bichemisry and bostbuilder sythezied the first ever prohormones. They were 1-ad, 4-ad and 19-norandrostendiome, each of these were one step away from testosterone, 1-testosterone and 19-nor testosterone and they worked damn well. They converted at a very high rate to the target hormones.well as you can imagine anything thay works the FDA bans so that's what they did.
So them the supp companies came out work the next products, 2 step precoursers to the target hormone. Totally worhless for building muscle but they do concert to small amounts to the target hormones and they say rigt on the package you could fail for illegal substancesz s o for example this "decavol" sold in this stupid stack I told him to buy is 19-norDHEA which converts in the body to 19-norandrostendieone which at last conerts to nanadrolone. Which is exactly what op is taking. Same with this "4-ad"
So, he's taking a legal OTC prohormone that says it will cause a positive for an illegal substance, the exacts same substance he's taking. They won't have to test the pills and if they do great, they convert to the exact same things he would fail for.
And lastly your "matter of fact" is not a matte of fact, it's your uninformed opinion from someone who's never been in the system. So leave thay to the guys with experience that are helping the guy and not trying to scare him.
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RichTrayYou have EXP on eroids .In a court room you will be laughed at.110 years of family court litigation in my family.You got a big EROIDS ego that can cost a dude his kids
Im gonna cost him his kids? How the fuck are youi gonna say that when I'm the one helping here and spend the time searching the internet finding the legal supplements that will test positive for the EXACT subatsnces hes taking at the moment? Im the one helping the guy and you gonna come at me like that. 1) get the fuck outta here, or 2) Offer some advice to the guy thats better then mine and tonys, please do, all we want for the guy is the best and if you can somehow magically get this shit out of his system so he can say hes not taking anything then do it cause thats obviously best.
RichTrayFinding a similar legal substance doesnt resolve the fundamental issue he faces in a court room.The best course of resolution would be through 1 on 1 negotiations with the ex wife...outside of mediation.Compromise with her ,make an agreement outside mediation to bring into mediation for settlement.That was very similar to Tony's advice,I believe.My point was to not let the steroid issue see the light of day.You search is well intended but I really dont believe that is going to do enough.I will leave it at that .Your problem with me is that you are seeing my 4 karma instead of my legal experience.Thats a fucking shame bro.i do also apologize for the statement about costing his kids.I would hope if I were in a jam i had a guy like you on my side.
I agree with you 100%. That's definitely the best way and should be pursued to the fullest extent. But I also firmly believe in covering all your bases and having your backup plan ready just incase she try's to pull this bullshit which it sounds like she's gonna do. He should definitely try to settle and compromise peacefully but now just incase she decides to he a true bitch and pull the steroid card he has his absolute best option in place. And for the record it's not a similar legal substance, they literally convert to the exact substances he would fail for if it comes down to that, but they're legal because in pill form they are not illegal steroids, but once ingested the body will convert them to the target hormone in small amounts via some specific enzymes.
And also, I don't look at karma and determine someone's credibility, I look at the content of ones writing. 4 karma or 1000 karma I'm alwuys willing to listen and take notes from someone who can teach me anything.
Your family has been dragged to court for the last 110 years? Damn, I'd think you guys would smarten up at some point... Did you get your law degree via osmosis? I think not ;-)
Stick to your argument and lets not see this degrade into name calling and boastful internet warrior BS...
RichTrayMostly GW and Harvard Law.The only person i give a flying F***ck about is the gentleman that is seeking help.My ego is not in play here sir,nor do I care about it.If you feel that your ego is of greater importance then the gentleman looking for help you have disregarded the fundamental purpose of the existence of this site.To help a brother.Not to build an ego
I applaud your passion and encourage you to remain professional in your argument... Do you think your comment might have gotten an objection from the court? Stick to the merits of your argument and refrain from name calling.
Thanks
RichTrayHow do you think that will hold up in a court room? How will he feel when the judge gives the wife custody rights over the kids?Even if its a prohormone,which is a legal steroid.It still has all the same physiological effects.What you are saying is pure semantics in regards to effects.
It's 100% legal supplement man, what can they say if the guy is a good responsible parent. If he's using illegal drugs it doesn't matter how good of a parent he is but he's using something you can walk into a supp shop and legally purchase.
At the end of the day it's all in the hands of the judge to make the decision. This is his only option. Nandrolone is dectectable for up to 18 months and test e isn't much better. This shit is gonna be in his system this is his only option and a damn good one at that seeing that it's worked before for someone on a federal level.
RichTrayI agree on that.As long as the woman is not claiming that his behavior is irresponsible do to the use of anabolics.In that regard .legality isnt an issue.One would think that is why she brought it up in the first place though
hey guys no need to go back and forth arguing I was just calling for a little bit of help let's stop with the criticizing..Sorry if I started any between any members..
Thats what women do man, out of all my relationships I believe i had one girl who if in that situation would not have done exactly that. They know they can use it against you. You could be the nicest guy in the world never ever have one outburst and they will say that shit.
I agree with the seriousness my friend. But i have done this personally with more to lose with greater punishment. You have supps that legally say they will test positve for peds, all different kinds at that . This is a family court bro not federal court ordered drug tests, point being it is he said she said, those tests are not cheap and if you ptetty much say i have many legal supps that will test positve and they state on the bottle they do they will not spend that much money i promise you, why do you ask because i speak from personal experience. I agree that his ped use needs to be put on hold if he truly cares about his child/children ,because if she makes herself look like a fool and her hatred back fires she wil be gunning for him. And like i said i understand the legally of it as i have been tested for natural shows by blood test, also been on federal parol and tested for peds and regular drugs , also have been pre trial confinement where i was tested not for peds tho as it was state charges. So i am by no means talking out my ass , i was not going to even speak in this thread but i just went through the exact same thing with my ex and son, and it worked out in my favor. I do agree they should settle with them and the mediator instead of pushing forwards to a judge because he will review said mediators notes , and so wont both attorneys assuming they have them. An there is no black and white diagram because in the end it comes down to the judges discretion. It is he said she said. I do not speak on things i do not have experience with . Like i said this is small family court not who killed Jimmy hoffa so do not go scaring the fuxking guy this is the last time i will be responding. And i have personally tested positive with out using peds simply by running dumb ass pro hormones and came close to losing over 15 years freedom due to it so like i said they will not break down blood and see what compounds show up which i dont even think they can do , and if they can your talking about thousands of dollars not a simple piss in a cup. The whole woman wins man loses shit is total bullshit, its called being prepared and having shit together and a fair judge period.
RichTrayThe woman does have inate rights to the child as the 1 that gave birth.Regardless of what was being took,its the impact it had on his behavior and the relationship.The bottom line would be to be prepared have a good lawyer and try to settle outside of mediation.I think all could agree on that.
Absolutely. I agree but the same could be said about drinking in a relationship some act out and get ugly others do not. It seems like shes grabbing at straws to bring up anything that makes him seem unstable. His job is to prove other wise and expose her motive which is just to drag him through the mud and he ends up being the issue as she turns out to be the victim looking out for said child. Court systems are to packed with alternative motives and absoloute bullshit these days. The person who keeps the level head, is prepared, and has facts not conspiracies come out on top most of the time. I think he needs to focus on looking the part and acting it also ,proving he is responsible and fit to take care of his child. Whats next she says his physique is intimidating, or that his eating behavior is unfit due to his lifestyle of going to the gym smh what is the world coming to. There are much worse problems that never get brought to justice but instead shit like this floods the system when two parties could put their egos aside and handled it like adults, this imo is why children stray off the path of a good child hood because they get exposed to this shit .
The $15,000 i have personally spent on attorneys in the last year said pretty much the same thing.
Tell me about it, I'm 7,600 in and I haven't even had my first court date yet.
Try federal and state charges at the same time over 40 grand in lawyer fees , not including what i paid to be on parole,probation, and pre trial release aka the bracelet. Shit is no fun. But i played the game and payed the price. Your in a different predicament but family court can tug on your heart strings a little more especially when its with someone who once said they loved you and vice versa, who brings up everything as they drag a child through it also.
Yep been there man hence why i turned my life around but family court is a bitch hope things are better for you now my friend.
RichTrayYou are right on!Well articulated sir.I wont say another word. Thank YOU
Thank you so much bro, i love you man:):)
Btw this should be in off topic not here this is for site issues bugs etc etc
Didn't mean to be off topic, my heads not all there at the moment.
Just move it or have a mod move it ,so the forum topics are kept in the correct forums bro. Sent you a fr.
Thay is a fuckinf genius idea. Wish I could give you a plus 2 for thay. 4 andro convertss to 4-ad which conerts to smal amounts of test, they have a one for deca also it does the same shit converts to deca.
Here you go bro, http://www.tigerfitness.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=6537
One of those converts to testosterone on small amounts and the other converts to deca in tiny worthless amounts. Totally fuckinf legal, they can't say shit to you.
X2 on genius idea. Thanks for the link.
Its exatly what you need. the 4-ad converts to testosterone, the decavol converts to deca, and the 1-andro converts to 1-testosterone. The exact shit you're taking minus the dbol which if you stop now will be out of your system very quickly.
Thank you, Irongame. Reading up on it, looks like a good stack.
Lol good stack so you're ex doesn't screw you over, bad stack if your goal is to gain muscle or anything performance enhancing. I'm not saying buy this with expectations to get big, you're buying it to keep your kids.
Fuck, fuckkng women man. Honesly at this point I believe you have to options, and I don't even know if one will work. First is get someone else's piss you'll have to keep it very warm so it register the correct temp on in the cup and also hidden to caue they will make you empty your pockets. The next is masking agents. But I would suggest getting clean urine from someone or synthetic urine from somewhere else like fake piss.
well if they do a blood test your boned...could you refuse the test and make them get a court order that may buy you some time.....
Did the mediator go along with that request?
I dont if he bought it but he did write it down on his note pad, it's still up for the courts to decide.
Hope you stayed cool while he was writing it down. To be honest bro it's all he said, she said and those mediators deal with it all day, every day. I would not sweat it at all and I highly doubt that they will test you. I had an ex try to lie and said i took everything under the sun and never did they follow through with testing.
The deca will be in your system for quite some time, so just don't worry about it and focus on your kid. She's gonna try everything to make you look unfit. keep your cool
It comes down to the judges discretion if they get to that point . He or she reviews the mediators notes, along with each others lawyers if it gets to that point. X2 on focusing on the child . These types of things are a night mare hopefully they work it out without having to go the judge route. Just like if a mediator thinks a child's welfare is in question with either parent they can notify child services. Imo too many people today dont handle problens correctly and do more damage to the children involved than anything half the time, but there are also those times when the court system is the right route, but more often than not it is just one parent playing the system against the other parent.
Ya I stayed cool, the hole time she was trying to get me to blow up but i never did.
kill them with kindness, right.
Well I know deca can stay in your system for a really long time. Why exactly would she want you to be drug tested? Just so she has more leverage in court?
She's trying to make it seem like I'm an unfit parent, she's trying to get full custody.
Because it will nail him 2 the wall so to speak....lawyers will use that 2 say he has a drug problem and he is not fit to be a parent and so on and so forth it pretty messed up for some reason in divorce women get the complete upper hand....90% OF THE TIME
Exactly why I will never get married. I would never want to legally bind myself to another person. I hate how they put gear in the same category as heroin and meth.
If you ever decide to get married, keep your gear use to your self. Just my personal opinion
That's exactly right! !