Question- Intake on Var
Hello, new here. I have been toying with the idea of doing a cycle for about a year now and have read countless articles, forums, and posts. I have decided to start on Var 2.5mg/2 for my first cycle. Haven't decided 6 or 8 weeks. I also love love this site and how open and non judgy people are here. I'm all for honest opinions even though they may not aggree with mine.
Current stats 5'4" 145.4 25 yo
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q512/Boomer2902/ou-1.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q512/Boomer2902/cac.jpg
I don't measure bodyfat because I feel no method is accurate besides DEXA. You can guess if you want.
I'm currently intaking (averages to) 1420 cals 145 protein 92 carbs 52 fat
since June. 1600 in April/May maintenance before then. Bulk/cut cycles before then.
I weight train five-six days a week (body part per day). Cardio 3x a week. Current lifts Bench 135 for reps 150 max Squat 225 reps haven't maxed in a while. Deadlift 205 for reps max 225 (for 3)
Now that you know all the info. I'm planning on taking my regular creatine/ glutamine fish oil multivitamin sups while on. Would you all say I would need any supplement for my joints?
Secondly, I would say my primary goal for this cycle would be fat loss while keeping the muscle I have built. I have read that anavar will increase the appetite. Do you think I should continue with my cut calories until Oct13 (my scheduled end of cut) Also is this increase in appetite suppressible with otc fat burner or ECA stack. Is it advisable to run these at the same time?
Any help input about anything you see above is welcomed and encouraged! Let me know if you need any additional info.
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
So update... thanks to everyone that chimed in the thread. My question was more for intake of cals than intake of mg for anavar. Anyhow I got some good info.
I have decided to do the 5mg for the first week and ramp up to 10mg if all is well for 8 weeks. For now I have still decided to keep cals at 1400 since fat loss is my main goal and see how I manage apetite wise, maybe bump up to 1600 if unbearable. I do understand that most would want me to eat above maintenance to fuel the muscles but that would only contradict my primary goal of fat loss. This drug from what I understand was developed to prevent waisting away in AIDS patients. I have seen and read many figure competitors using it in conjuction with contest prep 1400 cal diets to keep the muscle they have built while eating at a deficit. Which is exactly my goal.
I plan logging all of this so you can see my results and how I fair. I will do another cycle probably 12 weeks after the end of this first one for the goal of gaining mass where I will eat above maintenance.
you are going to lose fat anyway, and you don't want to starve the muscles.. please reconsider such a low calorie amount.
What calorie intake would you suggest? Point of post, still trying to get answers on this. Thanks
I read what you wrote about eating for what works for you and in a sense that IS what you have to do .. you want numbers, I can give a ballpark for them but again it is about how your body reacts to the gear plus calories... if you want a competition diet, then you run your gear as if in competition, please keep in mind that diet is meant to strip off as much fat as humanly possible to look as shredded and ripped as possible, which I might add is extremely unhealthy to maintain for any length of time.
Back to what you want though .. 2500 cals min.. 30000 to 35000 is more optimal, you want to build muscle while getting rid of fat.. that will change what you eat not so much how many calories you tak in.. I personally, don't count calories I pay attention to my body and adjust accordingly. My only issue with your diet is the lack of calories. When I say eat like you are on steroids I mean pound the protien, high fiber carbs and good fats while dropping the sugar.
The only thing that I really change when I want to drop fat is I drop the cytogainer in my shakes and replace the milk with water.
Hmmmm. okay thanks!
Not maintaining that diet for a long time for eight weeks.
When I refer to maintenance I am talking about the amount of calories as you individually can intake without gaining or losing weight. Based on basic metabolic rate (the amount you burn if you slept the whole day), height, weight, & activity factor. That's why it's important when suggesting calorie intake that you do so over or under someone's maintenance because we are all different. 2500 for a 5'10" 190 lb female would be completely different frome me.
For example my maintenance is 2176 you are suggesting that I eat 3000 calories a day. That is 824 calorie surplus a day 824x7days =5768. 5768/3500(calories equal to one pound of fat)= 1.648.x4 weeks in a month 6.592. Um no that does not coincide with goals I do not wish to gain 6.592 pounds of fat. If you stepped on stage after following this diet from six weeks out. You would look like a complete udder lard ass excuse me politcally correct 'very soft'. It would undo all of the cutting progress I've already made.
Secondly I do not wish to build muscle and gain fat at the same time. That's usually a counterproductive goal unless while on aas. My goal for this cycle is fat loss alone and maintaining what muscle I have built not building anymore but of it. If it happens, aas vodoo majic, I will be pleased but it's not expected. (what the aas is for, retaining muscle on such a deficit as to not lose muscle while on such a restricted diet or calorie deficit)
When I start my second cycle I plan on bulking but putting on lean gains (lil fat with the majority being muscle)you do this by upping cals slowly and not much over maintenance formula above to get to .5 a week 2lbs a month. Which would probably be increased because of aas. Not eat your ass of and gain 50/50 fat/muscle. Then have to turn around and cut off all the fat. Have done this in the passed and it's a beeeotch
Anybody a layne norton fan or nutritionally minded? I wouldn't have to change what I eat I already eat like that now protein 145 carbs 70 fats 50 (from egg yolk, avacado, fish oil etc.) You can tell by the macros I posted. Why would you think I ate otherwise?
What does run gear as if in competition mean? I thought that's what I was planning to do?
I don't understand how you don't count calories but adjust accordingly? How do you know what to adjust if you don't know what you are consuming?
If I offend anyone it is not my intent but you see I have done my research and years of hard work that I don't want to undo. Most of the folks on these forums are (from the posts I have seen) jumping to aas without first putting the hard work in with nutrition and training. You tell them what to do and bam they go off eat whatever they want take the gear and come back post cycle asking for clen or what to take to get rid of all the fat they put on. This is also the WRONG answer.
I am all for sharing the knowledge I have learned with anyone. I have science and how the body works behind mine and plenty of research. I'm just trying to figure out how that makes sense and pick your brain about your own experiences. Not saying you are wrong especially if it works for you. But you may be compeltely different than me. So simply trying to understand the why will help me convert what I need to do for me. Make sense?
Comments welcome--- Ask me a question in I did not explain something well.
Just because I don't count the numbers doesn't mean I don't know what goes in my mouth. I simply take note of what's happening to my body. If I look like I m gaining fat, I cut carbs, or drop something or change the content of my shakes from milk, to rice milk, or water.
I'm might not compete at all in a given year and still run cycles. I might plan on competing two or three times in a given year and plan my cycles and compounds around the competitions.
If one diet worked for everyone there wouldn't 20 thousand of them floating around.
You will find that you will want to run the var at least 10mg/day split am and pm. 2.5mg/2day is a good start while you adjust but considering your weight I think 5mg total is like spitting into the wind.
If you want to keep your mucsle base and add to while buring fat you need to eat like you are taking steriods, not on a regular weight loss diet regime. This is the time to feed the muscles. I know viking has some real excellent strategies for dropping fat while maintain muscle mass. You definitely gain weight though, no way around that. Anavar was created for people with muscle wasting diseases, to ..you guessed to put weight back on them.
I'd make certain that at the very least your protein intake is a good healthy one with 20-30grams per meal, cut out all sugars, this means dairy as well and eat carbs that are high in fiber. While at the same time cutting out carbs after 2pm.
Most cycles range from 8 weeks to 16 weeks. Anything less and you truly won't see maximum results. Not saying you can't run six weeks but you're selling yourself short.
Grrrl on fire info! everything you laid down is spot on as usual... i notice she says she will be running 1400cals on cycle to burn fat!..bad news is thats wrong!... ideally the 1400 should come from pure proteins to boost the metabolism to burn fat but if not enough total cals are taken the body will think its starving and HOLD FAT instead..the 1400 she mentions that she read about would be exact IF ALREADY in tip top condition and used as a maintenance diet.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wanna-get-ripped-read-this
Okay but she just says 'eat like your on steroids' what does that mean? Maintenance, over maintenance, by what %. If you are eating in surplus you will gain fat... I'm eating 1400 now 145g of protein 1g per bodyweight. I will be more than willing to follow advice when I know what it means and coincides with goals. Everything you are telling me makes sense if I were maintaining. 1400 cals from protein that would be 350 grams! That's nearly 2.5g of protein per BW don't you think that is excesive for a female? Adding in only 70g of carbs and 50g of fat you're at a 2130 caloric intake. Please explain to me how this is going to help me lose fat? I already cycle carbs as posted except from 3-8 because I work out in the evening. I also IF and break the fast at noon.
So say being 6 weeks out from competition you would advise client to go on a diet at maintenance? Just trying to sort this out in my head because I have been pure natty until now. I also don't think I'm in bad shape. I'm well educated on calories macros and what has worked for my body THUS far.(not on aas)
Also confused about 1400 as a maintenance diet.(severe deficit) No way is anyone's maintenance diet 1400 cals maybe a 2 year old. What did you mean by this?
So we are all on the same page. Maitenance= the amount of calories consumed to neither gain or lose weight based on bmr, height, weight, and activity factor.
dexitrimIMO, you're focusing too much on the calories and maintenance vs. over-maintenance, like it's an exact science. I think the counting calorie approach works great for joe blow who doesn't work out, and has a pretty consistent BMR. But that's not you, or your lifestyle. As time goes by, and you add muscle, and your body changes, it's the mirror that's more important than the scale and the exact number of calories you consume. Calories are in important, don't get me wrong, but when you hop on Anavar, the game will change. You'll be in a more anabolic state, you'll add muscle, and most likely go through a recomp. You'll need more calories for sure, but I don't think anyone can say you'll need X amount of calories. Just eat more, keep a log, and use the mirror. If for some strange reason you start adding fat, bump up your cardio, and adjust your carbs. My wife's 44yo, been weightlifting for over 20 years, and has built a great base without counting calories. The anavar was like the icing on the cake. I can't imagine what a few more cycles is going to do to her physique.
thumbs up for that dexitrim..
Thanks so much for your response. I will definitely ramp up to 10 once it's safe and run for 8 weeks. I will probably run a detailed cycle log since I haven't seen one up for women. Will post up the link here when it's up. Thanks everyone!
lol... I had one.. I got a makeover and lost all my stuff lol.. I m trying to get in and post a log now ;-) I think my pics are still posted if you scroll through the logs to July 7th it will say anonymous. .. Grrrl's summer strenght and bulking cycle.
Will look thanks!
zewisWifeI coulnd't agree more.
thanks ;-)
dexitrimMy wife just finished her first var cycle. She went about 12 weeks. Started her out on 5mg/day for the first 2 weeks, then to 10mg/day the next 2 weeks. She then went to 15mg/day for a while, then up to 20mg/day for about a week, and then tapered down gradually to 5mg/day. She was a little more developed than you to start. She gained about 10lbs, and she's constantly being asked if she competes or if she's a pro. She had no sides from the var. I was kinda hoping it would boost her sex drive a lot, but she didn't get that side either. She's bummed that she's coming off, but she'll get back on in a few months. You'll love var.
I'm not gonna go any higher than 10 (if I do bump up from 5) this first time. Air on the side of caution. Do you know what her calorie intake was? Above/ below maintenance what deficit or surplus.
MY wife just got off a 8 week 10mg pr day split var cycle. It went great.
dexitrimShe doesn't really count calories. She eats pretty clean, no alcohol, soft drinks, or fast food. She does hit the ice cream frequently, though! She usually drinks at least 2-3 protein drinks a day. We use ON Gold Standard Whey. She's kind of a genetic freak, so she gets lean and hard very easily, and only does cardio maybe once a week. She's 5'5" and about 135lbs right now. I follow different forums, and check out what dosages and experiences other ladies have with var. It differs from person to person, and also depends on the source of your var. So, definitely bump your dosage gradually to see how you respond, but I have a feeling you'll be able to eventually do 15mg/day without any problem.
Thanks for sharing thejenit. Your purpose for your cycle was bulk? What was your cal intake? over maintenance?
@finafan I'm sure that is an lol but I don't know the reference.
Hi to be hones I was eating over my maintenance. I found I gained mass quite quickly, prob about week 3. hatever I gained in the 1st month I did'nt gain any more. Will most def' run another cycle in 9/10 weeks. Only side effects I had we're spotty back and my periods stopped. would highly recommend it. You'll be pleased with the results.
calorie intake was in the region of 1900. Off cycle now and trying to stick to 1500/1600 calories but 1st day and finding it tough. Have cut my carbs quite a lot though.
Hope this helps. Good luck
Thanks! I'll probably bump to 1600 and see if I can maintain appetite on that. Then second cycle on bulk I'll eat 200 above.
If you see a van outside that is Ed. Avoid the van.
Hi BOOM03 and welcome. I'm new too. Just finished my 1st Anavar cycle. I ran 15mg a day for about 9 weeks. I split it into 4 pieces and took it throughout the day.
I gained 9lbs of good muscle. Pleased with my gains but prob would have been better if I hadn't been teaching too many spin classes.
It does increase your appetite.
I felt great on cycle, really motivated and strong. Hoping I won't feel rubbish now I'm off. Yesterday was my last day of cycle.
Good luck on your goals
Alright well we will see if they will chime in. Thanks guys I really want more mass and muscle hardness. I think I made it pretty far natty. I go gah gah for physiques like andreia brazier eva andress and sophie andevrink. (all on extras) So I was thinking of doing a short cycle now. Then longer when I bulk. I just am kinda at a loss what to do with cals. So maybe some ladies will chime in with some personal experiences.
I don't change much while on cycle from when off cycle as far as cals go. I try to keep a 40/40/20 ratio of protein/carbs/fats. You have to remember that while on cycle you are giving your self a boost as far as muscle building and quality protein is essential. I don't typically count calories and as far as weighing myself it is more for amusement than anything else. I've packed on about 15-20 lbs in the last year, running cycles and eating everything I see ;-)
let me start off by saying you look great. keep up the good work. The women’s forum is a great place for information and has really helped my GF out. She has the same build as you. Her main goal is to keep loosing BF. Great sources on her are Like everybody says SuzyB and Grrrl, wigeswifey and fitcpl2529. There post alone can really help out. Good luck and keep us posted.
U look great just the way you are. Love the sexy hair too. Fast is right about one thing for sure, get ahold of suzyb she's a pro that will have the answers your looking for.
No biggie. I thought I posted in the female lounge, no? Guys post oral only in the female section? lol
yes they do Boom, sometimes they don't read very well and get lost. We have to help them out (often)
lol
Lol....um...header says ladies lounge......really red in face. Lol! It's also on front page of site. I shoulda read better. Between sets and working cycle help. Well....HELLO and welcome to eroids!
haha all opinions are welcome but read and look at pics first I'm a woman!
Ummm....my bad! I get used to dudes posting up oral only everyday. Big apologies. Grrrl and Suzie have better skills in this one. Var is common oral only run for the ladies at 10mg. But its better for their pro advice.
¤red in face¤
Im your height too. So here's truth on becomming a monster. Food. Dont hit a cycle til at least 185 solid bro. If my scrawney ass can do it...so can you. 2-2.5 grams protein. Whole grains carbs.
Var only wont do anything but wreck your Dick. Truth. Been there!
that is one feminine looking "bro"...
Get them calories up to 4000 stat! Cardio off excess fat.