+ 1 Ladyluck on hgh&var, had breast surgery, now set New plan
Hi fanatics,
6 weeks ago I bought myself bigger boobs. I wanted this since age 15 so it was about time, even more because I had nothing left due to low Bf.
I had to quit var , 3 days before op I stopped gh as well but took it again 5 days after surgery . 2iu
In each breast is now 375cc , my weight is the same as before op and I look flat,but leaner because of the excessive cardio
I have a check up about 2 weeks, and then I can bring the beast back in the gym. God how I miss weight training! This week I started legs very carefull and Im Sore all over. That promise something for my upperbody...
After the meet up with the doc I will go back on var and increase the dose up to 20 or more, I never had more than 15mg so I have to figure out what I can handle. The goal is to get ripped for the first time so maybe I add nolva at the end as well. We will see, Im a fan of taking this slow but certain.
I will try to add some pics but first enter this
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Hi, do you use the turin to bulk? Have you ever used winny to cut? Asking for my wife
This is 4 years old! Dont get your hope up for an answer.
There are a couple things in this post that seem a little concerning to me and rather counter productive to each other..as well as a few things I have found on my own...you start out with the post saying you are flat because of excessive cardio..and then you say you are starting a cut at a very low 1400 calories per day..and you want to treat this like a prep, which, by its nature, is a style of diet that reaches a very brief leanes peak and then is followed by a return to normal calories in which a healthy body fat level is returned..so what happens when you plateau? Our bodies will only go being pushed so far before they will not bounce back. What about when you want to be able to eat more than a bikini competitor prep diet? You have run several cycles of intense compounds but have never been ripped? What happens when you cycle off? Do you think that your body will automatically start reproducing the t3 and t4 once you start feeding it artifically? Or keeping the muscle that was built on a deficet..I ran an intense cycle for a contest and I abused my body so badly during the process (hours of cardio a weeks, low carbs, no fat, <900 calories while training), it took an entire year for my voice to sound feminine again, for my bloating from excessive estrogen to go down, for my metabalisum to be able to handle cleanfood without converting it straight to fat, despite heavy weights and cardio. I wish someone had told me. I wish someone had said, you are working too hard, you are going to regret this. So here is my warning that I didn't have- less is more. Your body is an amazing thing and you should treat it as such. It will respond if you treat it well. Adding more drugs on top of other drugs that have not done what you wanted, is not going to give you the result you are looking for, in my humble opinion. No disrespect meant, just my two cents.
Well put tiger.
Hey all,
I thought it would be nice to give you an update.
Starting with my cut with tbol only. Never icreased the var dose though.
I prefer injectables but cant handle it. Tried 12.5 mg test prop eod and as I expected my voice started to be weird after a week. Dropped it and now a week later its almost normal again.
Tbol made me hold water the first 2 weeks but I felt pretty good! No sides. Then I added 12.mg t3. I will not increase because it fucks with my head at 25mg. (Terrible cravings)
Lost 2% in 2 weeks (water?). Im now at 1400 ckal and I dont want to go lower very soon, first adjust training and cardio
Im at 13% now and thinking about adding 10mg clen . I have read that clen is more effective al ong with t3.
Any thoughts?
just a repeat of what Tony said below in his extra long detailed post .... at that caloric intake you are eating muscle and will eat more muscle before you are done ... t3/4 plus clen (even by themselves) dont distinguish between fat and muscle and muscle is always the first to be eaten up. therefore, you create a rebound effect when you actually eat some food, you have less muscle to burn calories and it all goes right to being stored as fat because you were also starving yourself and your body is planning for future starvation... just a bad plan all the way around ....
thyroid used unnecessarily is a horrible idea period ... just because you feel 'great' doesn't mean you are not doing internal damage. .... lots of people feel great right before they drop dead ... just saying you don't have to feel bad to know something isn't right ...
as for sides why would you use test just to get 'comp' ready and not compete? what is the point exactly you do realize that maintaining 'comp ready' is about as unhealthy as you can get ??
anywho..Tony said most of it below and he's dead on ..
Clen and t3 to lose a little weight? Smh lol. Basically while eating such little nutrients along with training and cardio. Your body is eating itself and doesn't care if it's muscle or fat, it will eat muscle first. You really are going about this the wrong way. Let alone the damage t3 and Clen are known for.
Where did I say I 'just want to lose some weight"? My weight is fine. This cut is contest prep without doing one. No offense, but you dont know my meal plan history. Nor my cardio and training approach. In the ideal world I can cut on 1800 ckal with cheat meal but thats not going to happen believe me I tried.
I was 12% before did you see my pics? I dont agree my body is eating itself. And I feel great.
Also. .if I are what contest girls take.
This is nothing. I do also tests on regular basis.
I appreciate your opinion but maybe you can support this a bit more and go in depth why. Than only saying its no good.
Number one you made a post about getting ripped. Aka losing bf , something that can easily be done without these two compounds that can do extreme irreversible damage.
Your comparing yourself to women who compete and saying your doing a contest prep without doing a show.
I got news for you. Many women, well over half don't use clen and t3. For many reason. Go ahead and fuck your thyroid up and see what happens. It will go one or two ways. Youll get fat and stay there and have to be put on meds or your body will start to eat itself. Your worried about what prop does to your voice? But not what t3 and Clen do to your heart and thyroid huh? Smart.
You mention no where about the research you did about these drugs. No taper up no taper down. Which is extremely important. You can't just dose and ride it out. I can run a list of serious sides of the drugs you've listed. But I'm not going to hold your hand.
I've put plenty of women on stage with less who make your pics look average at best so please do not come at me like that because I can post 5 pics of women ive helped with no clen and no t3 who have to hold muscle and get lean who came in lower. Women who compete at national and pro levels not locals. The same goes for man. My pics speak volumes. My wife has been known to drop 10 to 15% bf in 8 weeks and didn't need clen and t3. An she is a competitor who competed bikini and is now physique. Christ her whole career as bikini she didn't take a fucking thing because they don't need too....an still leaner then the vast majority of women here.
Your starving yourself girl. Your running drugs out of your league with serious consequences that are irreversible and make voice deepening and hair seem laughable.
You need to learn how to carb cycle and you'd be way ahead of where you are. By miles, you'd have women asking daily if you compete and asking what your on. You need to learn when to incorporate fasted morning cardio in. Learn the meal timing. Carb cycleing. Circuit style training. Make friends with the stair master. You can't eat the same food daily (old school way of thinking) you can't hit the same macros daily ( you don't burn the exact same daily, nor do you require the same amount daily)
I've forgot more about this lifestyle than you know. So don't take it as me picking on you. That shit is a waste of my time. I'd keep on strolling if i didnt give a shit.
Also that whole nolva idea is old school also and has been proven to not work. But hey what do I know.
None of your pics are 12%bf more like 14 to 15. Go ahead and show me which one , better yet type in 12% on Google and compare it. 10 to 12 are bikini levels a little bit lower are national bikini levels.
Your diet and training will be what dictates your success. Not the drug stack. These are advanced compounds your using with damage that carries a heafty penalty. You come down too fast like your doing with cardio, training , tbol, clen , T3 and the cals your taking your going to eat up what muscle you have and when you drop everything your body is going to rebound, badly.
This not my first rodeo, that I can promise you. Competing is my life along with my wife. Along with the clients ive prepped the year before last I helped people who walked onto national stages knock shit out of the park.
GRRL GET IN HERE.
Oh and the stairmaster is my friend ;)
Thank you all for taking time to chime in here with your advice I really aprecciate it.
The only thing I want you to know is that Ive done my research on everything I take. I honestly must admit that my approach is very normal on other boards so thats why Im a bit shocked with some of your (harsh ) O pinions. I did tried carb cyrling, or eating in a window of 10 hours. I have been trying also as a natural ofcourse. But I was so frustraded I never get the results I wanted. And my goals should be easily reachable believe me. I have tried many diets with high protein low suger high fats, or no carbs at all (also not for me) . I have got on low calories (1200) adding refeeds e3d . I have tried hitt (hate it) circuit supersets dropsets upsets and mountain dog.and now Im doing fasted liss cardio on empty stomach .
Im ab solutely not comparing myself with comp girls right now but it is my goal to do body fitness comps. I give myself the time and experiment with different things. Some may seem outdated but Hey..if its going to work then its ok. I dont take excessive amount of drugs.
But if you say Im eating my body thats scares me. I have been underweight a while 7 years ago(stress ,couldn't eat, worked a lot) so I know how that was and dont want to go thatroad again.
Yes I have used some C ompounds to bulk but needed to quit so I never finished a complete bulk. The only reasons Im leaning down is to see how my shape will be , to find out what Works. Andmost of all. To bulk nicely without getting very high in bf. I dont mind a bit fluff fat or water but last time I went up to 23% and was not happy with myself.
With all this Im not trying tosay I know better. I just want to give you some more info
Im not like : hey Imfat Iets do steroids
Guys Im going to reconsider.
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/58944/er%20pic%201.jpg that's drug free and when my wife did bikini and that's one many pics.
Wow she looks great
Food is on point
Honestly on my dose I dont have crazy pumps.
I start var monday after beiing of for 8 weeks maybe it will be Different
Goal is to get a competition look without doing it. Going to experiment with depleting and carbd loading etc. Goal is to bulk up after and not getting too fat. Never had a good bulk..last Ome I quit (2800 ckal ) due to sides.
You are beautiful gym Junkie s wife
I have had 2 sets in 3 years. If you want to keep the, dont train chest. What is your goal? and GH should be fine regardless. Pumps on var wont be nice though.
Good question kodiak
To see what happens. I use var only to maintain muscle but I wonder wat a slightly higher dose will do. Ofcourse taking it slow. Tomorrow I start fasted cardio+training again after gh pin. And when Im all good and back in gym I start at 10 mg var, see what happens. If this dose does me well then I will think twice to increase dose . It shouldnt go to waste
food is your main key at the point that you are. Dial in babe
if the lower doses worked why are you increasing it ?