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I can’t remember exactly when I first learned about the forum, but I am so glad I have this community to learn from now. I know I had done some lurking over the years but never really dug in. I’m trying really hard to learn the proper etiquette so please be patient with me.
I am 33 years old. 6 ft. 185lbs about 16% BF (kind of a Chris Pratt in “Tomorrow War” build). My goal is to pretty much maintain a lean appearance. I don’t want to add much size at all, but would like to get more vascularity and a lean defined appearance. For diet, I keep my macros to 40% carbs, 30 fats, and 30 protein. I do IF with an eating window at 12-8pm. I work out 7 days a week and do a minimum of 30 mins cardio a day with Monday chest, Tuesday back, Wednesday legs, Thursday shoulders, Friday arms, and just extra core and cardio on weekends.
As far as history goes, I did some extremely misguided experimentation back in high school with “guidance”from a friend that was getting guidance from someone else who was probably doing the same and nobody knew what they were doing. I remember winstrol, deca, sust and who knows what else honestly. I’m just glad I recovered and realized long ago how foolish that was.
Around 27 years old, I went to a TRT doc because I was feeling a bit lethargic and didn’t have the drive in the gym like I used to. At the time I could only afford it for a few months. I wrote down what they had me on: Test cyp 170/wk, 1/2 anastrozol (I’m not sure what the dose) and 250 iu of HCG. I felt like a had more water retention than I would have liked but overall felt better, and after about a month, when I lost some of that water weight I put on, I was very pleased appearance wise.
At about 29 years old I started Hygetropin at 8iu per day, advice from a friend (prior to getting in eroids). I stayed on for about 5 months and this was probably the best results I’ve had with all my experiences.
I just started Angtropin at 4ius a day, 2iu first thing in the morning and 2iu post workout (11am). I would love to start a simple cycle that would cause minimal bloating and help me add some vascularity, intensity in the gym, and better mood. Test levels have always been on the low side of normal (around 300-400).
Thanks for all your help guys and hopefully I wasn’t too bad with etiquette. Tried to be as exact as I could with dosing and previous experience. I know it was dumb and I’m trying to learn now that I have this great community!
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i do not know much about anything as i am very new here also, but the research i’ve done on gh (because i used it in the past at 4iu a day also) shows that yes when you wake up for first dose before you eat but why the second dose so soon? especially at 11am because insulin is so important after a meal, so you want to take your second dose hours after your last meal of the day, preferably within like an hr of bedtime to maximize effects, and you wanna keep it within the same 1hr-ish window everyday, also i think it makes more sense to have them evenly spaced out anyways rather than bunched up both in the morning time
RustyhookerYoure on trt? Could bump it up a bit...12 weeks and add anavar 50mg split ed weeks 8-14. Week 12 ends go back to trt doses. Let the var do its deal. Cycle carbs will cut ya nicely.
Thanks Rusty. I’m currently just on the angtropin. I will definitely take your advice on the Anavar. I’ve been doing some research on the forum and noticed some said anavar and masteron are pretty similar. Would you agree/recommend? Also, any suggestion on test and dosage? I’ve tried cyp and it was ok. A little unwanted water retention. Thanks again for the help!
RustyhookerWater could be simple as foods, salt or running bloods week 4 to check e2 levels. All are key to goals. Food and gym dictates and gear is just recovery.
Var and masteron are different chems. Var has a very high anabolic value...great when foods are on point during a cut. For me it kills my appetite so clean meals are easier. Pumps and strength boost is fun too. Sometimes a lil heartburn kicks in but orals can be like that.
Masteron will drop water and harden lean muscle. It can block e2 in some but use bloods to prove your bodies reactions. Its mainly a hardener and many use it precontest when leaned out.
Depends on your full goal. If youre 15ish %bf and siming to 12...id choose var. I like both but var imo.
Thank you. Definitely goin with your recommendation of anavar over mast. After trying test cyp and getting some water retention in the face, I was wondering if test E or prop would be better? Or maybe it was my dose of 140/week?
test is test… obviously there are different types but the main difference would be the ester attached to the hormone, and there are different amounts of carbon atom attached to the ester for each one, example there’s a lower amount in the carbon atom chain in prop like maybe 2-3 don’t quote me i could be wrong,which is why a lot of times you will see people pinning it every day or eod, then you have enanthate which is somewhere around double of prop which is traditionally like 2x a week and then finally cyp the longest acting ester of the 3 which can be pinned 1x weekly
SO after all that being said i believe, and i could be wrong, that all testosterone will cause water retention maybe you’re just prone to it idk, HOWEVER you will notice it the fastest with prop since it’s the quickest acting and since you would most likely be pinning ed or eod you can also more quickly modify dosage to control it the easiest with the quickest results… so i hope that makes sense and helps any