+ 25 Why Build a Base?
Time and time again we all see people wanting to run cycles mostly they fall into two categories ... they want to get lean and "tone" or they want to get BIG. I think what they really want is to look good and feel better about themselves. Unfortunately that doesn't come in a vial or a tablet. That is something that comes from within. But that is another post. What most people don't understand or have knowledge of is that having a base foundation is what allows you to keep all that hard work you put in while on cycle. Time and time again we see posts from people saying "I did my PCT and I lost most of my gains." Well, yes you will if you don't have the base foundation laid, you are building your house on sand. It really doesn't matter what goal you have in mind either,whether you are a woman and want to lose fat and tone up or whether you are a guy wanting to put on size.
For the gals we've probably all seen or experienced it. You diet your ass off lose some fat and then you come off the diet you gain the fat back and some. So you try some clen or T3... diet your ass off and when you come off the weight comes back.
For the guys, you all of the sudden start eating .. a LOT and pinning some test and the weight comes fast and you grow..... but then you come off, and you stop eating so much and your training backs off, you run your pct and voila you've lost most of your gains.
When you have a base foundation, you already have the diet in place and the diet is working, you may even have already altered the diet to keep the progress going. You start training, like you want it badly, and you make even more progress. You start laying the foundation for diet and training. You understand that the body wants to reach equilibrium and will eventually adapt to what you are doing and so you know that to keep progress going you keep changing things as the progress slows down. You continue to see progress, fat loss, strength increases, muscle size and you feel better and you look better. At some point the progress slows and you look for other tools to help you get to where you are going. This is where you do your own research on these tools. You look at the risk to reward ratio. If you are honest with yourself you step away from the quick weight loss tools because if you really do your research you know that they can do quite a bit of damage. You choose your tools wisely knowing that you have a good base to start from. You can move forward confidently because you know that it is not an all or nothing gamble on the compounds you want to use.
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GRRL has top of the line advice on this stuff. Helped me take a step back and look at things from a more healthy and legit perspective.
X3. Fundamentals. Base. Dame takes me back back to being a kid playing baseball. She is correct. But you have to help others build that base. I'm grateful for the past three years learning. The frame is there and it can't go no where but up. Unless I foul out. Ha. I could go on but I won't. Just some deserved to get striked out.
Having a good solid base has saved my ass more times than I can count ....
I could only imagine. But you are correct. Good shit. Sorry the post take me back to bball days. Got a couple chittliens that play ball now and it just reminds me of the fundamentals. Either you get it or you don't. Why waste time on something you don't like. Is the way I see it. Little eastwards. Haha
Meant little bastards. But in a funny way
Where were you in my early days Miss GRRL with sound direct advice like this? Anyhow this is a great piece!
always been somewhere Mr. Bolt maybe you werent ready yet ;-)
Popped the traps on my ass yet again! Them right there are liftin words! Hooyahhhh Sis!
Bump time.
I second the motion.
Great post. In today's times. Some have a good or did have a good foundation. Everyone wants to be loved. Be it Internet or watching a cable chanel. All will follow the times. Me being no different. Just a little wiser. Little older looking in to the health I do remember. Sometimes you forget. But others are lost. Didn't mean to stray off. Good post
Thank you for the post. My gf who is a fitness competitor always trying to get me to try things. Which I don't eating super clean and just being super active has been my way now not caring so much bout body and eating had me gain 25 pounds . lol so I wanted to do little research and hear people's thoughts on this . Obviously going back to super clean eating and cardio twice a day will help me drop quick
you are welcome .. nice to hear that you aren't looking for short cuts.. rather refreshing actually ;-)
No . If there was shortcuts we all be in shape . Just gaining knowledge on people's insights more for this .
This is a great read and it's dead on. I trained natural for 18 years before I used PEDs and built a very solid foundation naturally. That's why I can take months off at a time and still look athletic then blast and have such extreme gains. I'm glad I trained natural for so long because it makes me appreciate what PEDs are all about.
Thanks .. it needed to be said I think. I can take six months off and still look like I m on cycle and for the most part train like I am on cycle .
So true, my son has asked me time and time again about when he would need to "cut" and my reply is always the same. You need a good solid base before you knowingly and passionately diet to remove most of the gains you're adding now.
Yeah
getting on gear before building a base would be like installing a NOS kit on a Yugo...
Good write up and as true for the boys as it is for the girls. I think I might be directing one or two guys to this one somehow!
RustyhookerPerfect description!
Great post Grrl. I was a comparatively late starter with steroids at around 230lbs before I ever touched gear. Had I reached my maximum natural potential? Probably not, but I don't believe I was too far away. What this has done for me I believe is it enabled me to hold on to what I have much better than the typical gym weight yoyo I see every day.
I went through two shoulder surgeries in ten months. 8 months after the second I was ahead of where I was to begin with. I also believe it will help me through the next few months where I will obviously lose a significant amount of muscle.
I tell guys this constantly here, build a base first. Even if you never step on stage, compete in any shape or form you will still reap the rewards and handle less of the gain 10, lose 9 nonsense.
The concept of mature muscle escapes a lot of people. When your muscle is already dense, shaped, and strong, adding juice enhances what you already have. Solid forearms are a sign of muscle maturity.
dude, I swear - I can relate to the forearm statement. Why the hell is that tho??
This is where so much confusion about steroids starts.
You have to have natural muscle, the more the better, to take advantage of the drugs. No years of gym time, no years of sweat and agony and the drugs are gonna fail. Every time.
Guys think that steroids are a short cut. If you are untrained and skinny no amount of steroids is gonna change you. If you are big with a lot of mass, steroids will pave the way to you getting your monster card!
I'm sorry if this sounds negative or like bad news, but it has always been true since they invented the stuff 50 years ago.
Very good post grrl as usual. +1 I think you should move this to the general forum. The only reason I found it was because I fat thumbed the ladies lounge.
per your suggestion fuse ;-)
Right where it belongs. You have such a dermined mind that most of your thoughts blow past what most men can comprehend. I know you ladies are all smarter than us but please share your info with us as well
Thank you fuse. I ll try to do that more often.
mikeyg4321Good post girl!!:)
Damn good post. I'm cooking up a post similar.
Knowlege dropping and common sense what a package my dear.
kinda surprising to find in a pre menoupasal girl isn't it ;-)
ugh, i say one thing and it haunts me forever, you sure you are not my wife in a double life?
just teasing you a bit ;-) you mean in an alternate reality? who knows ;-)
And there you are my Leela.
;-)
StevebEveryone I know runs cycles because they want results faster. And most of them end up never coming off because they did everything wrong and messed themselves up. They do not get blood work done and have no idea if what they are taking is working correctly. They do not know if their AI is controlling their estrogen etc. A few of them told me that they have to piss twice an hour not realizing that it is because their prostate is enlarged.
exactly.. no base no foundation .. we want it now not later.. we don't even want to work hard for it
Very well put .. Your a wealth of knowledge +2
thanks gym ;-)
Excellent post. Building a house on sand... I hope you don't mind if I reference that analogy often.
Btw, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what does a females strength cycle look like?
JAG
no not at all use it .. ;-)
I don't mind at all but before I can answer the question the answer is based on previous cycles and of course her base
And I see this question and what I how I want to reply is what kind of training is she doing, how does she cycle that... that's the first and most important part of it... first eating, second what does the training look like, after that, maybe we need to put some icing on the cake, maybe not. But I always want to dial in the basics, before we start talking about grad school, if you know what I mean.
My unasked for two cents...
your two cents are always asked for even if they aren't literally asked for ;-)
bigwillyas crazy as this sounds grlll im very grateful for the 7 years I sat in prison. im not proud of one second that spent in those places but it did give me a very intimate understanding of what eating resting and training can do to a human body with out drugs.
as iv I told you in the past, I wonder just how many people are dependant on these drugs and wont train with out them ?????
seven years is a good time to build a base ... most people I d say think that they can't do without them