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+ 12 UPDATE! FALSE READING (HIGH) IN SERUM TESTOSTRONE ECLIA TESTING WHEN RUNNING NANDROLONE.

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***UPDATED CLEANED UP DEAD LINK UPDATED INFO

Wanted to make the community aware that if your using NPP or DECA (NANDROLONE) it will cause a false reading (HIGH) in Serum Testosterone blood testing done in ECLIA. There is interference and a cross reaction from the Nandrolone. It reads the NPP or DECA you’re taking as Testosterone and will give a crazy false high reading.(Higher spike with NPP) To avoid this when every your running NPP or Deca get your testosterone serum tested in LC/MS OR LC/MSMS. Both privatemdlabs and labsmd offer this type testing. Both offer other testosterone tests iwith different combinations such as lipids,prolactin,etc.
To be honest if your running anything that elevates T levels spend the extra $15 (with the 15% discount) to run LC/MSMS to get a true uncapped (showing more than 1500) testosterone number. With all the interference I've been seeing lately it's the only way to get a true number.
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2572&category=...
https://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2234&category=14&search=#...

This is an update #2 on the false high estrogen reading while on Tren and estradiol or total estrogens tested in ECLIA. the way to avoid this is get estradiol in LC/MS or LC/MSMS. Back 4-5 yrs ago when i first reported on this it was hard to find and when you did it was expensive. what you want is estradiol sensative9labCorp) or Estradiol Ultrasensitive. The test to order linked below.
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2573&category=...
https://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2451&category=14&search=#...

Do not test estradiol in RIA or RIA DIRECT as it will give you a false reading. If the lab your using (this happened with Quest) tests estradiol in RIA then make sure they use EXTRACTION RIA this test reads correctly. One member got a test as instructed from Quest but the DR ordered RIA Quest Test #439. What should of been ordered is 439X which is the extraction method. So he had a false high reading. So be careful when ordering. When in doubt call labsmd to make sure the right test is being performed or if going through your Dr tell him you want EXTRACTION RIA. The estradiol testing methods that read correctly are done in IA, EXTRACTION RIA and LC/MSMS.

Page 7 of FDA approval showing Nandrolone has cross reaction on Roche ECLIA reads high testosterone.

Nandrolone was tested and was considered as interference substance;therefore, the sponsor has the following limitations in the labeling:“Do not use samples from patients under Nandrolone treatment”

Page 11 and 12
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/pdf12/k120009.pdf

    • These compounds tested above the measuring interval and the % Cross-reactivity could not be
      calculated.

Blood test showing false high in testosterone OP was using NPP. The other thing you will notice is that he had elevated estrogen levels from low 100 on 17,000 test level (false reading). If you have a blood test showing super elevated testosterone levels while on NPP or Deca post a link to it in the comment section trying to get a fix on how common this is and what testing method this is happening in. I know it happens in ECLIA but does it happen with other methods of testing.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/mid-cycle-bloods-week-6

Blood test while on tren A and Prop OP got total estrogen in IA from labsmd reads correctly
http://www.eroids.com/pics/test-prop-blood-work?page=1

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CD use this test but your going to have to call privatemd and ask if estradiol sensitive is measure in LC/MS
LabCorp lists it as such but call privatemd to make sure.
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2573&category=...
USE this one below to add prolactin. I'm assuming your running tren.
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=3090&category=...
discount code for this month NOV2018
https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/24871/estradiol-sensitive-lc-ms

if you have access to Quest then use labsmd.com this test for sure tests both testosterone and E2 by LC/MS/MS (liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry)
https://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2451&category=14&search=#...

Carlos Danger's picture

You are the man!!! Thank you so much Mega!! Hope you’re doing good bro:)

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Carlos Danger's picture

I guess I’ll just call the lab and see if I can’t specifically ask for this method

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Rob83's picture

For those of us in UK, I’ve been in touch with medichecks to find out what testing methods they use for test and estrogen, their reply was “Electrochemiluminescence immunoassay: Competitive method done on Roche cobas E801 module.” a quick google confirmed my suspicion that that is ECLIA.

Does anyone know of somewhere that uses one of the known good testing methods in UK?

Carlos Danger's picture

Has anyone dealt with this recently? If so is there a panel of privatemdlabs that you’re using to get accurate #s? Do we just need to call and request this type of test specifically? I was looking on their website and it doesn’t distinguish one way or another. Doing a little homework and wanted to get my ducks in a row

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killroy's picture

MegaT you are fucking awesome brother. I'd let you fuck my girlfriend for all the work you've done for us.

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MegaT883's picture

Wanted to bump this and ask if you've had abnormally high testosterone levels while running NPP or Deca with testosterone (6k+ and higher) post a link to your bloods in this thread.

MegaT883's picture

Thanks Angus for all that you do!

shawn0712's picture

Thanks for keeping us up to date on these. You're saving the community a lot of headaches and confusion.

eastcoastmuscle's picture

Thanks for posting will come in very handy and I am testing tomm morn

MegaT883's picture

Which you running EastCoastM NPP or Deca or Tren?

eastcoastmuscle's picture

Tren ace

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