+ 16 UGL pip & paranoia
I recently had a conversation with someone about issues with a UGL. About how they were having issues with terrible pip and abscesses. No matter where they pinned on the body, they were getting huge , red, hot, swollen lumps under the skin that itch and incapacitated the limb they were on. Was it debris and/or contaminants in the vial? Was it something he was doing wrong during injection? Was it an allergy to a solvent? Either way, I suggested taking a couple extra steps to reduce the risk of an infection at least. Start filtering your gear! For just a few bucks more than you're putting out already, you can visit any accessories shop and pic up a few things. What you'll need.
1). Sterile sealed vials
2). Syringe filters (I use .22 but .45 is fine)
3). Sterile GSO,CSO or carrier oil of choice
4). A few 10ml syringes
5). 20g pins
This is a basic step by step guide to filtering your oils.
Step 1) You take your 10ml syringe and put a 20g pin on it. Draw up all the gear from your 10ml vial.
Step 2) Take that pin off and put your filter on the syringe. Then add a NEW pin to the tip of the filter. Syringe filters screw on to your plunger the same as the pins do.
Step 3) Open a sterile vial and use the smallest pin you have to use as an air pressure relief. I use 27 or Slin pins. Pop that in the stopper and let it stay. Just don't keep it in the middle.
Step 4) Next take your loaded syringe w/ new pin and pop it in the middle of the stopper of the new vial. Push it slow and hard into the vial. It may take a minute or two so take your time. Too much pressure can be a problem as you can blow out the filter or have it unscrew from the plunger. I've seen them unscrew and shoot the whole thing everywhere.
When it's at the end you will have 2ml of your gear occupying the filter. Leave the pin with filter attached in the vial. You don't want to keep puncturing the rubber stopper with a pin that size as you may defeat the whole purpose and have pieces or rubber fall in the oil. Just unscrew the 10ml syringe. Put another pin on and draw up 2ml of your sterile GSO (or whatever you choose). Put the syringe back on the filter and push the oil into the filter. That will put the rest of your gear in the new vial. That's it. You're done. Clean gear!
Some tips. Don't ever use anything bigger than a 20g. No 18's or 16's. They puncture huge chunks of rubber and that's what falls in your vial. Also, (THIS IS IMPORTANT) warm up your gear before you push it through. This will help the process go faster. If it's cold, it will be painstakingly long. Trust me, when I say long, I mean like 15-20 minutes long.
This is just a precaution and isn't necessary in most cases. I'm not calling out any ugl and I'm not downing them. But they aren't exactly 100% consistent. Sterility can be effected by so many different things during the brewing process and if you just seem to be prone to pip and or infections, maybe you should give this a shot.
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RustyhookerFor dummies that cant research....like the bacconnator
You get what you pay for plain and simple. And for the dummies good luck
RustyhookerExactly!!
Should be a sticky, might save some poor sod a limb or two.
Glade this got bumped. Really great post with valuable information. Definitely could save some from peg legging like ive been for the past week and it was a rough on at that. +1 all day.
Good bump
RustyhookerBump. Good learning
That's also the way too make sterile gso for pip your ass gear just filter gso into new sterile vials with the same filter after u finish doing your gear
And maybe this one
All you "PIP-squeaks" with your painful pinning
great post nitti! +1
Thanks filtered my first bottle of test cyp just now.
Great post and great suggestions Nitti. Filtering oil is so simple and will prevent so many problems. Here are my comments/suggestions.
Stick to .22 filters as the .45 will not make it sterile.
Invest in a hand pump, around $40, makes the whole process a lot smoother and quicker.
Again great post.
Niti,
Sorry if I missed it. How do we get the air pressure out of the (transferred) vial.
Do we draw the air out with the filter still attached after the oil is transfers , I'm assuming that the air will push back.
Sorry never have filter my juice. So this will be the learning play grounds. I wanted to get the stuff you mentioned sone. Just want to do it right.
put a small gauge pin (27g) in it as a relief vent
Perfect got it. I ordered all the stuff last night. My wife was very happy I decided to filter my gear.
I chose grape seed oil as the oil to use as my extra. Thanks for your help
One of the sources on here has med quality cotton seed oil that I bought, its really thin.
I sent a friends request
Accepted, i will send you a link.
Nitti,
I just ran into a situation where I drew oil and saw a piece of the rubber stopper floating in the barrel. I'm thinking now is a good time to try this method. I'm wondering though, do I need carrier oil or can I just withdraw from the current vial into a new vial (using filter).
Please let me know. Luckily I saw the stopper chunk. I'm not sure I want to pin from that vial again. The stopper feels brittle. And yes I used 18g. Never had a problem until now. I will be ordering 20g today.
If im not mistaken The only reason for the extra oil is to push the 2ml of gear out the filter.
Yes, that is exactly why. If you don't you'll lose 2ml of gear.
D'oh! I have the same problem with 22g, So the filter is only one way?
Lol, if you mean what I think you mean then yes its only one way. Any junk the filter catches is at the one end. Push toward it and it all goes back into the oil
I take pride in being very consistent with pinning. using separate alcohol pads to wipe myself, sometimes twice and separate ones for the vials but damn, I would have never thought about these things listed above.
I use an 18g to draw. I am now going to order 20g instead. Never realized 18 was not good for the stopper. I'm going to order some today, along with the filters, 10ml syringe and spare vials. I probably wouldn't do this all the time but it's good to know if I am struggling with PIP or have any concerns.
Fantastic info! Thanks brother!
AnonExcellent post nitti!!
i love this place! every day I learn something new! Awesome!
Thank you for this Nitti! I am information hoarder and will try this just so I can no what I am doing. Having this laid out step by step is very helpful just for peace of mind if we have any doubts. I have always had plenty of concerns about UGL sterility practices and that is why I don't jump all around for fear of getting a less then sanitary one. For some of us it could mean our career.
I have always wondered about this process and once again this place proves to be worth its weight in gold. Especially taking the time that you don't have because of being a mod this is very much valued!
This is friggin brilliant. Puts the control back in my hands.
This is great info Nitti love the new info....But what about SRC's that use a shit ton of guaiacol? Majority of people who get PIP> Post Injection Pain....have an allergic reaction to the solvent rather then the compound or the "Virgin Muscle". let's really hit this because based on some recent threads I feel like we as "Pros" or "Gurus" can give more. My take is sometimes these new UGL brewers will use too much of a bad thing. I will tell you this I am 38 and I have done A LOT of brands but some of the UGL brands out there today are taking short cuts. I will never be a part of telling a youngster to take his oil, remove from said bottle heat the oil and filter and reapply to a sterile bottle? If these SRC's are so good why would you have to do that in the first place??? No fights here but if this Eroids site wants to be top dog don't give out hit and miss info. Yes we have great SRC's but don't forget to remove your oil. heat and then filter it if you want a fair product? Bash me if you want but I am too old an have done this way too long to not slap in my opinion. If it's too harsh sorry but it's means something to me when it comes to this lifestyle.
ClassyChassisFirst off, notice the word "paranoia" in the thread title. This is good information for those who wish to be extra cautious. And UGL aren't the only ones with issues. In Feb. of 2012, Sandoz Canada announced that it was temporarily suspending production at its Boucherville, Que., facility. The company said it was expecting “a significant reduction in output” and was halting production lines to upgrade operations after quality-control assessments by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned the factory fell short of FDA standards.
During inspections in the summer of 2011, the U.S. regulator found the plant — along with two other Novaris/Sandoz plants in the States — had failed to prevent contamination in some drugs (their testosterone cypionate, among others) and did not alert the agency quickly enough.
Now you tell me where it says that this post is leading ppl to believe that filtering will protect from solvent allergies? You aren't looking for an argument? Well you choose poor battles.
Let me choose my words wisely because I respect you and your hard work! What I meant by my ENTIRE post is I keep seeing these posts pop up about trying to be the best that we can be and give 110% knowledge. So I credit you for your entire post on being cautious to the extent of sterilizing your gear in not one way but several. But hear me out I have had bad run ins with some gear that is either not filtered correctly or slammed with guaiacol. If you are a veteran you know the smell....it smells like a dentist office or when you inject you taste that shit right away. So what I meant was I please let me give at least 2 cents of my experience to this PIP theory/cause! I will never battle on this site not with a MOD or with a member. I know what I know from personal experience and sometimes when you type words people can take offense when really I was crediting you and also wanting to add some extra verbiage so some newbies might understand it may just be the solvent not the compound. For the record if any SRC is to busy or to lazy to complete a batch with the utmost respect for an EROIDS safety than they should find a new job. I for one do not want my stuff slacked on in any way. Like you said Nitti for me guaiacol makes me feel gross and almost like I have anxiety and feel lethargic. Sorry my 2 cents rubbed you the wrong way man.
Your 2 cents did no such thing. Again, I DIDNT SAY A GOD DAMN THING ABOUT SOURCES OR HOW GOOD THEY ARE! IT clearly states that this is a precaution to help REDUCE the risk of infection. Nothing more. Nothing less. And frankly your irrelevant comments should be made in a thread of your own. They have nothing to do with this topic. It appears as if you're trying to stand up loud and proud but you're barking up the wrong tree. You can go make a post about your topic. Because it has nothing to do with this one bbbbro! Sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way. Or if it didn't cover all the ground you thought it should. We can't all be all knowing I guess. I'll leave that up to you incredibly articulate lads. I'm just some dude who filtered his gear at one point. Fuq do I know?
What about em? The post is about filtering your gear as a precaution. If you have an allergy to a solvent, then you had better stay away from it. I'm aware (I'm allergic to that stinky shit). Nobody has a more fucked up reaction than I do. It's not just at the inject site. It effects my brain chemistry in a strange way. Extreme lethargy! Like fall asleep standing up type fatigue minutes after injecting. But again , that's not what this is about. This is about the source running 32 hours straight on no sleep and brewing in his kitchen with the wife making dinner. Kids throwing toys around. Dust and bacteria all over the friggen place. That's what this is about.
Nice post. I'm gonna start doing this just for peace of mind. Thanks
AnonSticky this bitch
RustyhookerAgree!
ClassyChassisExcellent post. I agree that the .22 is a pain, but some bacteria are small enough to make it through a .45. But since you're heating the gear anyway, you can leave it in a warm oven (225) vented with a pin for 30 minutes and this should kill any bacteria that may be present. Let cool a bit before filtering. And for those who don't want to filter, just this step alone is easy enough to do and can eliminate potential problems.
The other thing I would add is that "stealth" gear in particular tends to have a lot of BA to compensate for possible poor transfer technique. So cutting this with gso, mct, etc can lessen pip. Again, excellent post Nitti. I would +1 you, but every time I +1 someone, my profile says I've upvoted Northern Gear again. (-;
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bada bing! good stuff to know. markd fav
just favorited this one. thanks nitti
Very informational post, props homie!
Anonthis has been something thats never been "written" about.. great post homie. I see frequent pics of guys whom get nasty infections.
I never thought filtering through the 22 was annoying until I did it once with the 45... made me so spoiled.
Nice write up
excellent post Nitti.....
NICE!
Excellent post Nitti, I learned the above the hardway! Wish you posted this before I learned on my own ... Lol
THIS is what eroids is all about