+ 1 Still can't lift two months after cycle
I blasted and cruised since 2010. Never came off. In between cycles I cruised on 200mg/week. Me and the wife are at that point in our lives that we want to have kids. I went and had a sperm test done cause I new it was going to be abnormal bit i didn't think it would.go to zero. After getting my test results back I went and saw a urologist. Told me to get off test if I want to have kids. I stopped the test back in the end of November and he put me on 50mg of clomid a day.
I knew this was going to cut it coming off of 5 years of blasting and cruising so I bumped it up to 300 first day then 100mg for 2 weeks, then 50mg. I did 20mg of tamoxifen with the clomid. (Clomid and tamoxifen was pharmacy grade). Continued on 50mg for about another 6 weeks. Did another sperm test and it went from zero to 8 million which is still low, but an improvement. Saw another urologist because I wanted to through the whole kitchen sink at having kids. The new urologist continued the 50mg clomid but added 3000 iu of hcg every other day.
Been on this protocol for a few weeks now and I can still tell I have not bounced back. During the time I was doing pct I felt so weak that I couldn't lift. I'm talking like I could barely do 10 reps on the weight I would normally warm up on. Well it's been 2 months since ending pct protocol and starting urologist protocol and I still can't lift shit. Went to the gym today and could barely squat the bar 12 times. It's just so frustrating. Is there anything I can do to speed up the recovery process. I'm been adding natural test boosters and DAA to help.
Any advice would he great!
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I greatly appreciate everyone taking the time to chime in and give their thoughts on the subject.
I would just follow what your urologist tells you to do or at least run anything else by him before doing it. They are the actual professionals in this business and not us. We may have some good ideas but I wouldn't be doing anything else without running it by the urologist first.
Thanks brotha
What's strange is my libido is through the roof
When it's purely for fertility purposes you can still run trt dose of test. I hcg, clomid, NolvAdex, aromasin and daa, also look into fertilaid smash it double rec dose
Look into triptorelin, as a standalone, using it with hcg or possibly even serms can hyper stimulate the pituitary and cause big problems. Ive been talking to a guy who uses it after every cycle, First time he used it was after being on for a few years . Theres none of this downtime your talking about where you feell like total shit it just restarts your test production like that ( according to his experience). He was like a pioneer in the use of it. His buddy had cancer and trips actual use is to end test production for testictular cancer patients by using a large dose to dump all of the LH in his pituitary so after that theres no test left. Then a few months later LH will start building up again and the doctor would give him another shot to do it all over again (the cancer patent). Well he asked his friend to get him a vial of it. When he tried it there was no dosing protocols, he didnt know 100mcg is the correct dose he just pondered that a small dose might just kickstart natural production and the first time he took a whopping 500mcg, said it felt like a fucking horse kicked him in the balls, but it went away and he went and got his test levels checked 8 weeks after the trip dose and his test levels were 888, said he never forget that. This was after being on for a long time. So he figured 500 was probably to much and froze 250mcg doses and used those till he ran out. Now we all know the correct dose is 100mcg, and it can be used every 4 months but its best to be on the safe side and only use it once a year. So do some research, you can PM me if you want and ill give you the source he uses.
StevebI read using too much triptorelin can actually shut you down permanently. Do you have a source for good triptorelin?
I havent used it myself, but like i said in that story i have to source of what i would call a pioneer of trip use, he used pharm grade back before any of us ever even knew what it was. So he thinks this sources is legit i would trust him over anyone else. But yes using to much of it to often can basically chemically castrate you, thats what it was invented for, cancer patients whos cancers grew off testosterone, so a big dose of trip would completely shut them down for a long period of time, but mind you theyre using something like 5mgs per dose, 5000mcg, were taking 100mcg. Best to keep its use to twice a year, once if you really want to be really safe. They say you can use it every 4 months but hey better safe then sorry.
You really think the triptorelin will be too much on top of the hcg and clomid? should drop my urologist protocol for the triptorelin?
So the real use of trip is to get rid of any test in the body for. Cancer patients whose cancer grows in the presence of testosterone. They give the patient a big shot, it causes the pituitary to release every bit of LH it has and produce a huge surge of testosterone but once that test metabolizes there's no more being produced. So the cancer can't grow as quickly or possibly at all anymore. Until a few months later when the body starts producing it naturally again and then they get another shot and it's all gone again. So this is really really bad for people like use who just want to kick start our natural production. Hcg is synthetic LH, trip causes a massive release of natural LH, clomid stimulates the release of LH and FSH, although it shouldn't with hcg present. So taking all 3 things at once can have the same effect or close to it as the dose of trip given to rid the body of test. You don't want that to happen that's forsure. Especially with a hcg dose of 3000ius eod.
All in all you were on for a long time. I imagine this period sucks really bad but after being on for 5 years you can't expect a swift recovery, it could take a year.
I would suggest doing as much research about triptorelin as you can, read on all the forums and all over the net on people who used it and how it worked for them. Then make a decision, you could give it a shot and monitor your bloods like a mad man, day after the shot, 2 weeks after etc, if nothing's happening it probably didn't work and you can go back to your current protocol. Or you could ride out your current protocol for a while longer. Could add HMG, torem, etc. there's alof of options. I haven't seen anything on your current test levels, do you know them? It would be wise to get bloods every month and see if your doctors protocol is helping. It's less then 50 bucks to do it private.
But bottom line trip is way to much on top of 3000ius of hcg eod and 50mgs clomid Ed. You'll likely end up in a very bad position.
HGH would have likely helped the transition and reduced the bump down .
Never to late.
Some doctors actually prescribe it for improving sperm count .
Go through and read my thread in over 40, it's the only stickie. Might help
Steveb25iu/ed of hmg and 250iu/ed of hcg and 25mg/ed of clomid and you should be fertile.
Androtex will stimulate your natural production of testosterone and increase sex drive.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GVLBLQY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1453618459&s...
I would try a shot of GNRH, worst case scenario is it will do nothing and it's really cheap. But if your sex drive is still low or not high enough try a peptide called PT-141, it's actually for men and women. But it works for men faster.
The hardest part is getting good HMG. If you do find some let me know.
TronDamn good info man. +2
Since starting hcg libido has been good. It's my muscles and contractions that are my issue. I flex and it feels like 50% of what it should be. My insurance doesn't cover any fertility so I'm paying out of pocket for the hcg (50,000 iu for $250) from the pharmacy. I can only imagine how much HCG is. Thanks for your input.
StevebHCG is cheap
Sorry I meant HMG (damn auto correct)
Yeah my urologist is cool as shit. He told me to come back after wife is pregnant and he will put me back on test. I'm counting down the days
bigmurphBig is right there is a medical journal post that talks about a bb who used for 13 yrs straight then wanted to have kids nothing worked then he used pm me for exact product name I don't want you to use the peptide I think you will have a better shot with the pharma grade. Hit me up and I will give you the name.
You can look into triptorelin. Info is a little inconclusive but if everything else fails, this could be an option.
RustyhookerThis is one for Carlos danger. He's done your route with success then back to trt
Sounds like recovery is not in the cards. 5 years is a long time. Hurry up and get your wife pregnant so you can pin some test.