posted Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:23
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Steroids...Cheating?
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Alright kids, just wanted to know your opinion.
Do you consider steroid use in sports cheating? Everyone does it, well, in my opinion the smart atheletes do. Do you think it's dirty for an athelete to use banned substances to enhance performance when most are using them anyways? Why or why not?
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The only crook is the system of how things operate. To compete at the level of a pro bodybuilder you have to be on serious substance and to put a ban or ban those that use them when they have to use those suubstance to complete at that level is just plain wrong. Everyone know that your body doesn't get that way naturaly and to ban something that the athelete needs to meet that standard is crooked. Behind doors the judges know whats going on and let it go but once they fail a drug test and it turns public everyone cries Cheater..Cheater. It not cheating to use hormones but it is cheating if you fail the drug test. Whos really the victim? the athelete. How can you cheat on something when the rules and system are crooked themselves?
What. Are you saying that all the top bodybuilding pros aren't natural. So it's not just drinking protein shakes and taking those supplements that they endorse. Hmmm so that's what I have been doing wrong. Mate you are %100 correct. Just out of curiosity and nothing else to do. I went to an INBF comp here a few weeks back and there were some guys there that were definately on the gas, and others the obviously were not. Apparently AAS is cheating but peptides is ok. Either way (wheather or not peps work) they are sticking a needle in their ass so they aren't natural. Bloody hipocrits. Either go and compete in a real federation IFBB, NABBA and compete against real bodybuilders. That to me is cheating when you are clearly on the gas and competing in a natural federation.
VERY WELL STATED.
naguib123in pro sports yes because its breaking the rules, outside of sports no because we are only competing against ourselves. but roids should be allowed in sports it takes away the genetic edge.
No offense to the OP, but this is kind of a silly question. If the sanctioning body of your sport prohibits any substance and you use it anyway, it is without a doubt a violation of the laws/codes of the sanctioning body. Call it cheating, call it breaking the rules, whatever, it is what it is.
Would you ask: is selling steroids illegal in the U.S.? Everyone does it....See what I'm getting at?
The sport I compete in is not drug tested at any level, so relative to it, the juice is not cheating on any level.
You are right. What if you are Marion Jone who used a designer steroid that wasn't listed as a banned substance? Is that cheating?
I think common sense should prevail. What I know of sanctioning organizations that test and have a ban on performance enhancing drugs, everything right down to caffeine has limits on it, and the prohibition is broadly defined. Any rational person can extrapolate that all performance enhancers would be prohibited whether listed or not - not all substances are easily known to the sanctioning body due to the constant development of new "designer" drugs. Pohormones as an example, are always being developed to stay ahead of specific bans. While not legal, they sit in a gray area of law, but with the anticipation of being added to the ban list once the system catches up to their development and release.
Anonnot only that crispy, but in the pro racing tours, the "new" tests are suppressed so that "older" tests must be used and doping can't be detected.
Why don't we just have a drugged Olympics and a natural Olympics. Just like well similar to bodybuilding. But apparently taking peptides and short ester gear is ok in natural bodybuilding so where do you draw the line. It's only cheating if no one else is doing it. Guilt and innocence is all just a matter of timing. Haha
Good question with not an easy answer. In my opinion its cheating when your Lance Armstrong but not cheating when your Jay Cutler. I would like to see one day a ban on a ban of the use of banned substances in sport. Then maybe we can see a white man win olympic gold in the 100m or a black man win any medal in swimming.
Anonjust because you use aas doesn't mean you become a super star athlete.. training, hard work, dedication, and APTITUDE are all necessary to become a world class athlete.
Correct.....but throw in some aas to go along with training, hard work, dedication, and APTITUDE then you are well on your way
That has far more to do with genetics than PEDs.
I was in prison for 12 years where I can assure you there was no gear, and when we held our "prison Olympics", white boys NEVER won events like the 100 yrd dash....ain't gonna happen, and I'll send you 10 bottles of gear if a white guys wins ANY sprint in the London Olympics coming up here soon.
There exceptions (freaks) to every rule, but in general whites do certain things very well and blacks do certain things well.....Best point guards and quarterbacks----white.
Best runningbacks....black.
Best boxers......black/hispanic
There exceptions....magic Johnson was the best point guard ever...but Steve Nash is right behind him. Dirk Nowitzki is the best shooting big man of ALL time.
But don't blame the fact that white guys don't win sprints because black guys are on steroids.
Steroids are the great equalizer in terms of muscle mass----Coleman...Cutler...Warren. At some point everything equals out when it comes to Bodybuilding.
nah I never said that the black sprinters are on steroids, they are just genetically superior in that aspect. But give a white guy some aas and he can be competitive against a genetically superior sprinter. Its no secret that blacks/carribeans descending from slaves have this magical gene, Michael johnson has even come out and says so, keep an eyey out for the documentary soon.
Costas Kenteris is a great example. He won the 200m at the olympics in 2000 or 04. he was a drug cheat. Thanou, his Mrs won the 100 or 200 also at the same olympics with the help of banned substances.
Therefore in conclusion take drugs and you can compete against athletes that are genetically superior
Agreed.
And let's not forget the fastest women's hurdler in the world----Sally Pearson, who also happens to be Aussie.
AnonWhy is Lance cheating when ALL the pro cyclists are doing the same things.. In fact it would be impossible for those guys to compete in the Tour without cheating.
Cadel Evans (aussie) is no cheat!!! and he won le tour last year. Armstrong systematically cheated (along with most his team mates) for his entire career. So it was never an even playing field, you have a bunch of drug cheats assisting the cheif of drug cheats to win the grand prize....how is that not cheating?
Just because an athlete passes a drug test doesn't mean they don't use PEDs.
Evans wouldn't even be in the running if not for doping.
Everybody knows that.
No Gothic! Evans has a poster that says he is drug free! He wouldn't have one of those if he wasn't drug free! Plus he says he is drug free! What the planet are you living on! HE HAS A POSTER! Do you have a poster? No you don't doper.
This reminds me of the time George Bush Sr. Made Ahnuld his health Czar or embassador for health or whatever the hell that is. That was how I knew the Arnold came by his physique naturally.
LOL, brother cadel Evans is 100% clean and is the pin up boy for the "new" "clean" Pro cycling circuit.
Seriously your reasoning is insane.
What you have with Evans is a good bike rider, a champion, and a doping mother effer, just like everyone in that sport.
Here are your facts.. no matter how good he gets, he will never come close to being as badass as Armstrong. So his publicist uses the angle to try and cheapen Armstrongs wins at the same time adding clout to Evans. So they run a "clean" marketing campaign that calls Armstrong a cheat and Evans a clean hero, while suckahs just like you fellate his very name because you bought it hook line and sinker.
That's the bottom line because ED said so.
Never an even playing field?? That's bullshit! Take a look at the top 5 in all the tours that Lance won. Almost every single one of them has been involved in/suspended because of doping. So, even if lance was doping, it was a pretty even playing field.
Lance had a team of dopers backing him up. you cant win a grand tour by yourself. Its just that the runners up had relatively clean team mates that couldnt compete with the dynamite which was "Discovery" and "US POSTAL"
Lance did have superior teams but you accusing them of being chemically enhanced while other teams were not is a little unrealistic.
Cracker please. Armstrong passed every test that Evans passed. It's just hard for people to accept that Armstrong was so damn awesome that he was able to smoke people with one nut tied behind his back. The fact of the matter is that if Armstrong was doping the it's probably a good bet that Evans was doping because everyone knows that There is no way for Aussie genetics to compete naturally with anyone from the USA.
All my love,
Ed
Dont get me wrong I love Lance Armstrong, he has done alot of good in this world and his books are a good read. But he is a drug cheat and I have nothing against that. just respect Cadel more because he was natty and gave it to those roided up US/European folk.
Anonlmao.. prove he was natty .. I was all up in road racing and if you don't have a clue as to how the drug testing works then you are sorely misinformed.. EVERYONE "dopes" in road racing .... no such thing as natty especially on the professional level. Saying he passed the drug test is a JOKE.
prove that cadel evans has ever returned a negative result from any test he has ever undertaken?? dont waste your time because you wont find it....why?... because he is clean
Anon"one is never called upon to prove a negative" Ayn Rand
Lance Armstrong and his crew tested clean for years and so did many others.
Can you get your old man outta bed to tell me I am loser on the dumbass thing? Yes I am still up, I'll go back to my room right after a couple stuffed peppers and some ricotta.
I HAVE TO KNOW!
Anonlmao...he was sitting right next to me.. I ll make sure he tells you soon enough .,,
Show me the money! Unless you have one hand glued to Armstrong's ass and the other glued to Cadel's you havent the slightest clue as to who is clean and who isn't. Your assumptions make me laugh.
bro I dont have to prove shit to you. Can you prove that cadel is a drug cheat? dont think so. If Zabriske, Landis, Leipheimer, Farrar, Horner are ready to testify in court that they witnessed and assisted armstrong doping then that is more then just an assumption for your entertainment value
I hate when people say steroids are cheating. What's the difference between steroids and that shit they sell at gnc? Steroids acutely work! To me taking steroids is the same as taking a protien shake or pre-work drinks. We take them for the same reason right? To get faster and stronger. Steroids are in no was cheating to me!!
You should watch the documentary/movie "bigger stronger faster"
He asks the exact same question
"Steroids are as american as apple pie" - Greg Valetino :o)
Given a 6:1 or 4:1 epitest/test ratio is sometimes allowed, the sanctioning agencies don't think steroids are cheating...
... so long as you don't use too much.
Fans demand their players to always be on top of the game always. In that level of play there's only one way to always rehab injuries fast.....
Anonfans demand spectacular plays, longer throws, harder tackles, home runs.. etc.. how do you think they do all that? steroids enhance the natural ability of the athlete, the athlete must still train and practice .. just cuz I use gear doesn't mean I m going to hit home runs because I pick up a baseball bat.. or throw touchdowns, or whatever.. it takes hard work, training, diet and rest...
Very good point, i had only though about the rise in the level of proformance with gear but recover speed from injury would be massive benifit ,so much money in sport need your best players fit!
biggerthanyouDo yal think that pro athletes are still juicing even with all the recent issues esp in the MLB? Now there is mandatory drug testing twice a year for all mlb players, along with one random test for every player per year....
Growth Hormone, Yes.
Anabolics, Dramatic Decrease.
Shit bro, if they actually found a way to eliminate all gear from sports, they would lose ratings. I don't understand the big deal, people don't want to watch a mediocre athlete, they want to see the juices up freak tearing his particular sport up, then when steroids use comes out, they will be the first to hang the guy. I believe it is just the next step in the "evolutionary process".
Remember the McGuire/Sosa home run race? Two juiced up freaks knocking the shit out of baseballs? Was there ever a greater time in the history of Baseball? I don't think so.
I completely agree with that...it made every game fun to watch and says a lot considering how many games there are.
What about juice on the off season? What if a fella Juices in the off season but keeps it clean on season? Passes piss tests etc? Is that still cheating?
Still cheating bro in my eyes! but i think 99.99% do that anyway,i have crossed the path with a few top level athletes over the years and i know for sure they were using,friends have even sold gear to these guys... faces that are still on T.V. regular at the present.
Ok WWVD (What would Viking Do)? If your were a top level athelete and made a living from it, had the natural ability, worked your ass off and found that you had to compete with a bunch of juicers? Would you Cheat and juice or would you keep it ethical and just do it with what the big man gave you?
Easy answer bro... CHEAT!!!
I'm not going to say that I'm not dissapointed in your answer.
I expect that from me. But from you......
What's wrong with his answer? Why are you disappointed? If I were a top level athelete, I'd do it if necessary! Let's say I was one fight away from a title shot. A title shot that came along with a $10,000,000 pay day! I'm getting that fight! I don't care what I have to do to beat the muthafucker standing in my way. When I was boxing I was never medically cleared to get a pro license. I have some issues with head trauma from being a douchebag and fighting in the street. It cost me a lot. So my job was primarily to help keep the young guns at the top of their game. I was one of those sparring partners the trainer would call in as the final step to being ready for the fight. And you better believe I took my job seriously. I didn't let up at all. Mostly because I was pissed. I didnt have the opportunity they have when I know I'm better. So I would punish these muthafuckers and it helped get them to where they needed to be. I was juiced the fuck up half the time. I never got tested. I trained with pro's who were juicin. Know why? Because most of them do anyway! I always get side tracked. I like Vikings answer. It's REAL!